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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!l39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <364bf99f-d421-4659-917f-4dc50b534dbe@l39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Cyclist against proposed speed limit reduction. Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:06:17 -0700 (PDT) References: <7qWdnSTj4MwD1yfUnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk>  Lines: 50 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.156.251.147 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1237097177 28431 127.0.0.1 (15 Mar 2009 06:06:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: l39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.156.251.147; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.7) Gecko/2009021910 Firefox/3.0.7 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 3535 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:689381

On Mar 13, 5:03=A0pm, "Light of Aria"  wrote: > "Simon Mason"  wrote in message > > news:7qWdnSTj4MwD1yfUnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk... > > > Well I'll be blowed! > > >http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/zletter.jpg > > > -- > > Simon Mason > >http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/ > > I too am against it. > > Vehicles are safer when driven quickly by alert drivers than driven slowl= y > by half-comatose drivers playing with themselves.

It's no good. This group is full of people who know that things like the above are true, but they'll never admit it, because safety is not their agenda, they just want to make things harder for motorists, and they don't care how dangerous their beloved anti-motorist measures make things for *any* road user.

It's completely futile trying to reason with them. "Just zis Guy, you know?", aka Guy Chapman (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/JzG), is one of the Internet's most infamous and despised car-haters. He used to admit to hating cars, and had a page up on his website about it, but in the last few years, he's decided to start pretending that he doesn't hate cars at all, and he removed the parts of his website where he admitted to it. He seems to think that people are thick enough to actually believe that he hasn't got a problem with motorists, despite the fact that he mysteriously supports *every* anti- motorist measure ever proposed. What. A. Coincidence.

Spindrift is another "closet" car-hater. You won't get anywhere with either of them. If they cared about safety, then there would be hope that you could persuade them with logic that they were wrong, however illogical their current position, but since they have a "hidden" agenda against motorists and care nothing about safety, no amount of logic will make the slightest difference. Unless you can somehow persuade them that speed limit reductions will make things *easier* for car drivers, they will always support them.

Chapman and Spindrift are probably the worst, most hated, most twisted car-haters in this group, but there are others, most of whom (sadly) seem to admire the aforementioned two and seek to post the same sort of rubbish that they do.