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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news1.as3257.net!feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder1.xlned.com!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!shaftesbury.zen.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4e33579a$0$2530$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Mode share and journey times - DfT Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 02:00:04 +0100 References: <6j033717tu9p4omauh76lsqm6v6kgieenj@4ax.com>    <1k566jm.1npzoex1lyr4ugN%NEWS@sarlet.com>  <99k6375m079lmuume9npus16s6s2l0oatv@4ax.com> Lines: 43 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <99k6375m079lmuume9npus16s6s2l0oatv@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Zen Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 490eabd7.news.zen.co.uk X-Trace: DXC=_]UAHgdoQ7iiL<5ka_Y5:inok4Z\ "Mr. Benn"  considered Fri, 29 Jul 2011 > 15:15:08 +0100 the perfect time to write: > >> "Roger Merriman"  wrote in message >> news:1k566jm.1npzoex1lyr4ugN%NEWS@sarlet.com... >>> Mr. Benn  wrote: >>> >>>> "Simon Mason"  wrote in message >>>> news:U9KdnbGRprZWGq_TnZ2dnUVZ7rCdnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk... >>>>> >>>>> "Mr. Benn" <%%@invalid.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:j0tvmn$3ag$1@dont-email.me... >>>>> . And cyclists >>>>>> should be made to use those lanes instead of clogging up the roads and >>>>>> putting themselves at unnecessary risk of injury. >>>>> >>>>> I have yet to hear a traffic jam bulletin that mentions cyclists >>>>> "clogging >>>>> up the roads". >>>>> It seems it's always the cars that are doing the clogging up. >>>> >>>> I meant obstructing traffic on the roads rather than clogging. In urban >>>> areas, this doesn't always limit the overall progress of traffic due top >>>> other factors slowing traffic but it does on narrow country roads where >>>> passing places are limited and long traffic queues result. >>> >>> that is a load of old ballderdash! even club runs cause minor delays, >>> cars have to wait a few secs but well thats not exackly a huge issue. >>> >>> and thats with 30+ riders. >> >> And not during peak commuting hours hopefully. > > You mean when they'd be held up by queues of cars?

You mean queues of cars caused by maliciously phased traffic lights, removal of roadspace, unnecessary banned turns, and other spiteful anti-car measures which are solely designed to impede drivers (but which clearly don't work at discouraging motoring because the drivers are all still there...hey, maybe they're not actually driving to be selfish or antisocial, maybe they do it because it's genuinely the only mode of transport which is even remotely practical for them)?