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On Jul 31, 11:43 am, "budstaff"  wrote: > I think you should remember that my OP wasn't asking whether your arguments > had a point in the sense of substance for debate (that's been done to death > elsewhere) but what was the point of your continually shitting in this > particular pond, and your intemperate generalisations about the majority of > its residents.

Fair enough, and I have realised lately (and said) that the actual number of people here who are anti-motorist, and care more about that than they do about saving lives, is pretty small. I apologise for making out that the majority of people here are motorist-hating trolls, when it's actually just a handful (albeit a handful which post rather frequently).

However, what I don't understand is why the more reasonable posters don't disown and argue with the likes of Spindrift and Chapman, when it's so obvious that their agenda is nothing to do with saving lives, and everything to do with forcing some kind of socialist "utopia" (dystopia) onto road users by making things difficult for motorists. Why aren't people fed up with those two (and their handful of followers) pretending to care about cyclists' rights, and road safety, when actually that's just a front for their real agenda? I'd be hopping mad if someone claimed to support a cause that was dear to me, when they were actually just pretending to do so as a smokescreen for some other, much less worthy, almost directly contradictory cause. Why do the reasonable majority put up with it, and allow those who are new to this group (like me) to make the mistake of thinking that they're part of the anti-motorist crusade?

As for shitting in this pond, well, if it were possible to shit in the motorist-haters' pond without shitting in this one, I'd quite happily do so. It's yet another reason why it would be better if the motorist- haters went off and formed uk.rec.anti-motorist, and left the real pro- cyclist people to it. But they won't, because they're such a bunch of lying cowards that they hide in the ponds of people with legitimate causes, in a pathetic effort to avoid the flak that they so richly deserve. Perhaps I should just start emailing Crapman instead, but then no-one else would have the pleasure of seeing him getting constantly outwitted and exposed as a car-hating crank (and let's face it, it is funny when he gets worked up because he's been beaten yet again).

For everyone's sake, it's time that the motorist-haters stopped hiding behind those with legitimate causes, and stood on their own two feet. Anything less is unacceptable.