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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <03f63ce1-6a14-4b24-b697-756a3f76b404@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Brownsville man arrested after allegedly plowing car through racers. Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:55:36 -0700 (PDT) References:   <23300bef-e0df-4483-b099-b7f1dcf15ebb@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <8d66b499-64f8-457b-89f7-1897f82abdd7@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>  Lines: 33 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.105.168.199 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1214265337 8993 127.0.0.1 (23 Jun 2008 23:55:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=88.105.168.199; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008052906 Firefox/3.0,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 2947 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:654295

On Jun 23, 10:52=A0pm, Martin  wrote: > Nuxx Bar wrote: > > > It's perfectly simple. =A0Road deaths stopped falling as they had been > > when since speed cameras were introduced. =A0 > > That is total cr*p. A quick analysis of the STATS 19 data shows it is > crap. If anyone thinks otherwise, then they should get the data and do > the analysis themselves.

I have, thanks, and I endorse Paul's conclusions.

> When I looked at this data myself, I found the opposite effect.

=2E..not that you had already decided that you were going to "find" such an effect or anything like that. Be honest now. If you did discover tomorrow that you'd actually been wrong about cameras, and they were costing lives, would you come on here and admit it? I don't think you would. Cameras are far too good at making life difficult for motorists, so you want them to stay, and if they cost lives then that's just a "side effect" that people will have to live with.

> > The most plausible > > explanation by far for that is > > Paul Smith did not have a clue about data analysis. A quick look at his > graphs on his website shows that.

More trollshit. Vague, hopelessly generalised slurs with no substance that a child of 5 could hurl about. In other words, the sum total of the trolls' attacks on Safe Speed. The trolls can't come up with anything else because they know as well as anyone that Paul Smith was right, and they hated him for revealing the truth about cameras.