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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!p4g2000vba.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <0abd7e53-be3e-4176-bf28-d80eab9ec976@p4g2000vba.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Pre-RFD: uk.rec.cycling.moderated Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:03:29 -0700 (PDT) References: <2lc*4xWHs@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Lines: 135 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.156.251.27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1243375409 7003 127.0.0.1 (26 May 2009 22:03:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:03:29 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: p4g2000vba.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.156.251.27; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042316 Firefox/3.0.10 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 7293 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:704447

On May 26, 5:25=A0pm, Ian Jackson  wrote: > Below is a draft of the formal RFD I plan to use to start the official > newsgroup creation process. =A0I've been informally advised by a member > of the usenet.org.uk Committee that we should sort out the exact > proposed charter before taking the matter forward. > > So please take a look at the message below, and put forward your > opinions. =A0In particular: > =A0* Have I got the core of the charter right ? > =A0* Is this the right moderation policy ? > =A0* Is this the right crossposting policy ? > =A0* Is it right to make discussion of the moderation policy > =A0 =A0on topic in urcm ? > =A0* Is everyone happy for me to host the moderation panel email > =A0 =A0list and the moderation robot ? =A0(I've had contributions of > =A0 =A0some good-looking code changes to STUMP so I imagine we'll > =A0 =A0be using that.) > > Also, we need some moderators. =A0If you would like to put yourself > forward, or suggest someone else, please post here in this thread. > If you have problems with potential moderators, feel free also to > email me privately if you prefer. > > I think we should be looking for a panel of around six moderators. > I'm willing to volunteer. =A0If you think I'd be a bad choice, please > say so here or privately. > > Note that I have many of the trolls firmly killfiled. =A0So please don't > reply to the trolls in this thread, or reply to anyone else's replies > to the trolls. =A0Otherwise I may miss your important contributions. > > From: Ian Jackson  > Subject: RFD: uk.rec.cycling.moderated > Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling,uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.announce > Followup-to: uk.rec.cycling,uk.net.news.config > > uk.rec.cycling has for some time been suffering from an infestation of > trolls, nym-shifters and forgeries. =A0Many of these posters are hostile > to cycling. =A0There has even been real-world harassement such as > abusive late night phone calls. =A0Repetitive flamage now constitutes > 50-75% of the group by number of articles. =A0This ongoing and worsening > problem has been making the group nearly unuseable for ordinary > discussion. > > I therefore propose that we should create: > > uk.rec.cycling.moderated =A0 =A0Cycling in the UK (Moderated) > > CHARTER > > This group is for the discussion of all matters relating to cycling > in the UK. =A0Recreational cycling, cycling for transport, racing, and > other forms of cycling are all on-topic. > > Moderation will be used to ensure that the group remains civil, > pleasant, and sympathetic to cyclists and cycling. > > The moderators may, as they see fit to achieve these goals: approve, > reject, robomodorate, whitelist, blacklist, make enquiries, write and > change detailed procedures or policies, delegate, and/or take other > reasonable measures. > > In case of disagreement amongst the moderators, the majority of the > moderation panel shall prevail. =A0The moderation panel may vote to > dismiss or appoint moderators. > > Crossposting to uk.rec.cycling is not normally permitted. > Constructive discussion of the moderation policy is permitted in the > newsgroup itself. > > uk.rec.cycling will remain as an unmoderated alternative; articles > which are unsympathetic to cycling (for example, vehement opposition > to cycling or cyclists, and full and frank discussions of transport > policy) may be posted there or to other unmoderated groups in uk.*. > > Initial Moderators: > >  > > INITIAL MODERATION POLICY > > Postings should be conducive to a civil and pleasant atmosphere, > and remain sympathetic to cyclists and cycling. =A0Each moderator will > accept or reject postings based on their own judgement. > > The moderators will operate a whitelist system: new posters' messages > will be manually moderated by whichever moderator happens to get to > them first. =A0Individual moderators may, when they consider a poster > sensible, add the poster to the whitelist; whitelisted posters' > messages will thereafter be posted automatically. =A0Individual > moderators may remove a poster from the whitelist, when they post > inappropriate or borderline messages. > > Decisions by individual moderators to approve or reject postings may > be appealed to the whole moderation panel. =A0The panel would prefer > this to be done privately to make it easier for the panel to overrule > a mistaken moderator without anyone losing face. > > This policy will be updated by the moderation panel as they see fit. > > The moderators can be reached at > =A0 urcm-moderat...@chiark.greenend.org.uk > =A0http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/urcm/ > > DISCUSSION > > Discussion should be crossposted to uk.rec.cycling and > uk.net.news.config. =A0Only messages posted to uk.net.news.config form > part of the official discussion. > > Readers from uk.rec.cycling are encouraged to read the discussion in > uk.net.news.config just in case some articles are not properly > crossposted to urc. > > Readers in uk.net.news.config should be aware that this proposal is > likely to attract opposition from the trolls, and that many of the > likely readers of uk.rec.cycling.moderated have those trolls killfiled > - so adverse conclusions should not be drawn if such posts sometimes > go unanswered. > > -- > Ian Jackson =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0personal email:  > These opinions are my own. =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.chiark.greenend.org.= uk/~ijackson/ > PGP2 key 1024R/0x23f5addb, =A0 =A0 fingerprint 5906F687 BD03ACAD 0D8E602E= FCF37657

I put forward Simon Mason and JNugent as moderators. Both are respected, long-time posters who have shown themselves to be wholly reasonable and polite towards their opponents at all times. The presence of JNugent will go some way to providing a balance and spread of opinions on the panel, which I'm sure we all want if the group is to be fairly moderated.