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On Feb 26, 10:32 pm, Sir Jeremy  wrote: > On 26 Feb, 22:12, Nuxx Bar  wrote: > > > > > Firstly, until you answer the two "yes or no" questions that I asked > > you in my previous post, I'm not going to do my list of anti-motorist > > measures. Why should I do what you "ask" me to do if you won't do > > anything that I ask you to? And you know how much Spindrift hates it > > when people don't answer questions. Oh silly me, that only applies to > > people on one side of the debate, doesn't it? Anyway, I would have > > thought that the questions were very easy to answer for any individual > > with a shred of decency. > > > On Feb 26, 8:54 pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?"  wrote: > > > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:26:25 -0800 (PST), Nuxx Bar > > >  said in > > > : > > > > >Are you now going to admit that you know perfectly well which sorts of > > > >measures motorist advocates in general believe to be anti-motorist? > > > > That's a long way form saying they *are* anti-motorist, since the > > > more militant petrolheads have a capacity for self-delusion which > > > reaches near-legendary proportions, starting with the delusion that > > > they are above-average skill. All of them. > > > As you know, I wasn't asking about whether you agreed that they were > > anti-motorist; I know that you and the rest of Trolls United claim to > > think that there are no anti-motorist measures whatsoever (ha ha). > > You purported not to have the faintest idea what measures I was > > talking about, full stop ("can't identify"), and that was your excuse > > for telling me to list them. It's clear to me that you *do* have a > > fair idea of the sorts of measures that I have been referring to > > (whether or not you supposedly agree that they're anti-motorist), > > you've pretended not to have the foggiest just to snarl up the > > discussion, your lying has been exposed and now you don't even have > > the grace to admit it. No wonder the vast majority of motorists' > > rights advocates have long since given up having anything to do with > > you. You don't play fair. None of you trolls do. > > > Thanks for your silly insults about "militant petrolheads" BTW. > > "Petrolheads" is a term that I'd expect a motorist-hater to use about > > anyone who advocates motorists' rights. A silly pejorative term for > > anyone who disagrees with your anti-motorist stance. I'd also expect > > a motorist-hater to be sweepingly disparaging about the ABD. Anyone > > who didn't hate motorists would agree with at least a fair proportion > > of what the ABD said; a lot of the time it's just common sense. > > > Put it this way: in terms of your opinions and stances, in what ways > > would you say that you were different from a motorist-hater? (Don't > > try to tactically divert the discussion with crap about "whether > > motorist-haters exist", just take it as read.) As far as I can see, > > if one accepts that a motorist-hater can drive (for reasons of > > hypocrisy or delusions of importance or whatever, as discussed), > > you're indistinguishable. I can't see a single thing about you which > > sets you apart from one. So you can see why I might have come to the > > conclusion that you and your ilk are anti-motorist. If it looks like > > a duck and quacks like a duck, forgive me for thinking that it is one, > > however much it denies it. I'm sure you'll be keen to show me that > > you're not anti-motorist by listing the huge number of obvious and > > fundamental differences between your opinions and those of a nasty > > extremist motorist-hater. > > > And while we're at it, what do you think of motorist-haters? How > > about cyclist-haters? Which set of people do you dislike more? I'll > > be fascinated to know the answer as I can't begin to guess at it. > > Good rant, but they aren't worth it. Chapman's a pompous arsehole and > Spindrift's in a locked ward for his own safety

You're quite right of course (Spindrift won't answer my questions about whether he's had treatment for mental illness :D)

It really is draining and I have pretty much tired of this latest spell of interaction with the Internet's ugliest transport-related trolls. I like to expose myself to small doses every now and then because 1) it makes me appreciate proper discussion elsewhere 2) it's funny to watch my reporting of the truth get on their nerves so much 3) it makes any neutrals who are in any doubt realise how little regard the trolls really have for road safety and 4) I like to remind myself that the trolls really are as bad as their reputation elsewhere says. I'm *never* disappointed in the slightest :- You can bet your life that as soon as I leave, there'll be a flurry of "He only left because he couldn't answer our questions". Never mind the fact that I have to leave sometime, and at that point there'll inevitably be new questions that I haven't answered. Logic and rationality are hardly their strong points though I suppose.... ;-)