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In article <_oKdnVdQapaaVA7RnZ2dnUVZ8ridnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, clive@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk says... > > We (you, Guy, me) are all guilty of troll-wrestling to some extent. > Indeed most of your recent posts over in URC seem to be doing that. So > to complain about Guy doing it seems hypocritical.

Sigh. The only exchanges I've had with you or Ian lately have been perfectly civilised, interesting (to some anyway) dialogues about transport policy which contained no hint of trolling, troll-wrestling or unpleasantness; if it hadn't been me you'd been talking to then neither you nor anyone else would have even thought of calling it "troll- wrestling" or anything else negative. I was pleased that you (and most others) had assumed good faith in the RLJ thread I started, and you were right to do so, so I'm a little disappointed to read the above. I have no wish to fight with you, I find many of your posts informative and I bet you even find the occasional thing I say worthwhile, so maybe we could start again and bury the hatchet. I'm sorry if I've pissed you off at any point but I'm sure you've got a thick skin.

You must surely see the difference between the exchanges between you/Ian and me, and Chapman's behaviour, which basically involves sniping away at JMS and me time and time again with absolutely no provocation whatsoever (at least not on the same thread). I think Ian is spot on in his condemnation of that and his analogies such as "picking at the sore" and "wallowing in shit then complaining about being covered in it" are extremely good IMO. When Ian points out that Chapman ruined URC, then Chapman says "I don't deny fault but I'm not rolling in shit anymore", then he does *exactly* the same thing, *again and again*, I think Ian has every right to point it out (not that he does so every time by a long chalk), and I really don't think he's being hypocritical. He is simply wound up by, and very good at identifying and describing, Chapman's many faults.

Your and Ian's posts to/about JMS and me are usually pleasant, substantive and on-topic; Chapman's are none of those things, designed solely to stir it. He seems to think that if he doesn't reply directly to JMS or me, and makes his sneering comments in reply to replies to JMS/me instead, then he'll be able to pull the wool over people's eyes and no-one will think that he's poking the wasp's nest again. This gross underestimation of other people's intelligence compared to his own is one of the many things about him which is infuriating.

Of course I'm not expecting you to take my side against Chapman or anything like that, but nevertheless I wanted to say the above.