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On 29/07/2011 14:22, Simon Mason wrote: > On Jul 27, 8:13 pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?" >  wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 27/07/2011 19:15, Simon Mason wrote: >> >>> Yes, it's all a fiendish worldwide plot, apart from your beloved >>> USA. Wait though, what is their usual maximum freeway speed limit? >> >> 65, and it's very often radar enforced. It's also common to find six and >> eight lane roads with a 35mph limit. Also the road surface is cratered >> like the moon, congestion means you're lucky to average 55 on the >> freeway much of the time and you can get two or three separate law >> enforcement agencies enforcing the law on any given bit of road. > > And Nuxxy claims that he holds the USA as the most motorist friendly > in the world.

I don't think I ever said that.

> Those speed limits don't look like the free for all he thinks they > are.

It varies by state as JNugent said. In any case, "low" speed limits I can put up with if pretty much all the other anti-car nonsense that you get here doesn't apply there. The authorities *listen* to people there: you don't get them putting in things which they know perfectly well the people don't want, and thumbing their nose and saying "We know best" and "What are you going to do about it?", because the people can and will do something about it.

That's why money-grabbing speed camera operations have been voted out up and down the US (I believe every such vote has gone the right way...what a surprise), and why the authorities don't dare to spitefully narrow roads just to impede motorists, or most of the other money-wasting crap that you get here. Democracy works there better than here...the majority is listened to. Petrol is cheaper and the authorities have far more respect for motorists as voters and taxpayers, rather than regarding them as selfish vermin who need to be bullied onto other modes of transport (which are even more inadequate in many parts of the US than they are here).

Anyway, there seems little point in trying to continue this as a rational discussion when the helmet-wearing Lou Knee has involved himself (obviously he couldn't resist boasting about all his trips to the US, again). I've made my point: even if some speed limits in the US may be too low, the almost total lack of anti-car rubbish there relative to here more than makes up for it. Those who are actively attempting to bully motorists off the roads have managed to get a frightening amount of control over politics here (despite only representing a small number of nutcase voters); there, they are still regarded as the loonies that they are, and would be laughed out of Congress.