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On Jul 10, 8:09 pm, "Ian"  wrote: > Because they can. Cyclists don't have to stick to cycling groups any more > than they have to use cycle paths.

True, but if they're not using them when it makes more sense (to them) to use them, that does rather indicate a chip on their shoulder about being a "proper road user", and a wish to get in the way of motor traffic even though that also endangers the cyclist. I don't think such an attitude helps things one iota.

> Same as motorists can use cycle groups if they like, motorists do not have > to stick to motorways.

Not according to some people. "Doug" thinks you can't be a true cyclist if you're a motorist; many other denizens of uk.rec.cycling are anti-motorist (even if they drive themselves...they're special you see), and believe that everyone else who posts to that group should be anti-motorist as well. They're now trying to force the issue with uk.rec.cycling.censored (which, make no mistake about it, is a way of getting rid of those who have the "wrong" opinions).

> And bus drivers don't have to stick to bus lanes.

It would be nice if they used them when possible though, so they're not holding up a whole line of traffic which has no alternative but to use the "normal" roadspace.

I do sometimes wonder whether London bus drivers have been instructed to be as inconsiderate to motorists as possible, as part of the general anti-motorist TfL attitude (although at least Boris is putting a stop to that after the years of the car-hating Livingstone).

> Whilst a certain number of cyclists are brainless, and possibly also > bastards, that can also be said of many other groups ..... motorists, bus > drivers, lorry drivers, motorcyclists,  horse riders, and let's not forget > usenet-posters..... > > But not ALL members of each set are brainless. Or bastards.

+1. Always important to remember that (and of course that also applies to subsets of those groups, e.g. BMW drivers).