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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!eweka.nl!hq-usenetpeers.eweka.nl!cyclone01.ams2.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!npeersf02.ams.highwinds-media.com!newsfe04.ams2.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail Message-ID: <%a8xl.4645$GH7.2814@newsfe04.ams2> From: _  Newsgroups: uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Cyclists going through red traffic lights Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:00:27 +0000 References: <72h0pkFpshmdU1@mid.individual.net> <81da1a72-951c-4473-99db-d16f48840e19@s20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> 		 <568f6f67-f856-4720-ad59-c45abbc27ad1@t3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> <49C50AE7.42650C8B@sizefi4367337tter.com> Lines: 44 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <49C50AE7.42650C8B@sizefi4367337tter.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.12.82.202 X-Complaints-To: http://netreport.virginmedia.com X-Trace: newsfe04.ams2 1237651259 86.12.82.202 (Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:00:59 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:00:59 UTC Organization: virginmedia.com Bytes: 3613 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:690491

johannes wrote: > > Doug wrote: >> On 20 Mar, 08:39, Tony Dragon  wrote: >>> Doug wrote: >>>> On 20 Mar, 08:00, "Iain"  wrote: >>>>> I have just walked back from the shops. >>>>> As I was going, I came to the traffic lights just by Willesden bus garage. >>>>> Two sets were red. From each of these sets, a cyclist went straight through >>>>> them. >>>>> As I was returning, past the same set of lights, I saw I cyclist waiting for >>>>> the lights to turn green. I felt like giving him one of my oranges! >>>>> Can the cycling community not do something to dissuade these people from >>>>> jumping the lights? It certainly causes frustration from drivers who have >>>>> to so frequently watch this deliberate flaunting of the law, and continues >>>>> to give cyclists such a poor name - certainly within London. >>>> In London cars can frequently be observed going through red lights too >>>> and they are much more dangerous than cycles. So, your point? >>>> -- >>>> UK Radical Campaigns >>>> www.zing.icom43.net >>>> A driving licence is a licence to kill. >>> His point you idiot, is that he saw cyclists breaking the law, he made >>> no point about cars so why bring them into the thread? >>> Perhaps you would give us your views about the point he made (without >>> references to cars/motorists) >>> >> The point he seemed to make was that it gives cyclists a poor name. So >> it follows that drivers going through red lights will also give >> drivers a bad name. However, since drivers are much more dangerous and >> numerous than cyclists they will attract even more of a bad name. >> >> The other point he seemed to make was that it causes frustration FROM >> drivers, implying that the drivers might react, presumably by the >> common practice of ramming or otherwise intimidating cyclists at slow >> speeds. > > The stupid assertion that cyclist are enemies of car drivers and hence > fair game. I both cycle and drive a car, so where do I fit in? Maybe I > should ram myself down, but how do I do that?

While cyclists perpetuate the anti-motorist 'all car drivers are ignorant careless twats' agenda thats so prevalent in this group, I dont see how you can be surprised at the negative reaction you get in return.