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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!l21g2000vba.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <9c236e3b-0494-40d1-8f02-b68d4ca5be61@l21g2000vba.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: OT: Banned driver gets off. Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:38:52 -0700 (PDT) References:      <4lol35dilfhs59pkpeb20o913r3513fb4k@4ax.com> Lines: 27 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.156.150.242 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1245433132 30203 127.0.0.1 (19 Jun 2009 17:38:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: l21g2000vba.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.156.150.242; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.11) Gecko/2009060215 Firefox/3.0.11 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 2911 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:710757

On Jun 19, 2:02=A0am, Phil W Lee  wrote: > > The FPN system has been responsible more than anything else for > trivialising driving offences.

Come come, the FPN system ought to be getting celebrated by car-haters like you. If every "speeding" case went to court, the system would become hopelessly overloaded in a matter of weeks. The only way that the automated, "cost-effective", conveyer-belt prosecution of millions of responsible, generally law-abiding motorists can take place is through FPNs (or similar), and the accompanying bullying along the lines of "If you dare to exercise your legal right to fight this ticket and go to court then not only will you definitely be found guilty no matter how good your case is, but you'll get a much heavier fine and more points".

And anyway, driving offences have not been trivialised by FPNs, they've been trivialised because it *is* trivial most of the time to exceed an arbitrary speed limit which is too low. You can't have your cake and eat it: if you want to abuse the legal system in order to bully motorists out of their cars, you have to accept that one side effect (along with people dying due to crap road "safety" policies) is going to be that *all* driving offences, not just stupid speeding ones, are regarded with less gravity than they used to be. You reap what you sow, but it's never too late to fix the system and stop this silly car-hating nonsense.