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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!s16g2000vbp.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <2ad4b93b-b0e8-42ad-aa40-72acfe17047d@s16g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Pre-RFD: uk.rec.cycling.moderated Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:17:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <2lc*4xWHs@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>  <9ep2f6xl7q.ln2@news.ducksburg.com> <7889euF1kioqeU2@mid.individual.net> Lines: 56 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.156.251.27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1243624679 11182 127.0.0.1 (29 May 2009 19:17:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: s16g2000vbp.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.156.251.27; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042316 Firefox/3.0.10 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 4436 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:705362

On May 28, 9:11=A0pm, Matt B  wrote: > Adam Funk wrote: > > On 2009-05-28, Mark wrote: > > >> I am broadly in agreement with the majority of posts so far. =A0To > >> summerise my opinions: > >> * No crossposting. > >> * Very light touch moderation (certainly to start with, otherwise the > >> NG may never reach "critical mass" (No pun indended)). > >> * Any criticism should be constructive. =A0NG should be sympathetic to > >> =A0 "cycling" not "cyclists". > >> * Moderators should have a long (& positive) posting history before > >> they are permitted to become moderators. > >> * Discussion of moderation policy should be permitted. > >> * Perhaps we should explicitly say that posts repeating the same point > >> over and over again in the same thread is not permitted. > >> * No swearing or personal abuse permitted. > > > Good ideas. =A0I think "personal abuse" should be explicitly defined to > > include personal insults and ad hominem attacks. > > There'd be many (most?) regulars missing then.

Assuming that the moderators are even-handed, and the "rules" and "moderated" group are created for reasons other than to ban posters with the "wrong" opinions. But that's unlikely to be the case. The proof of the pudding will come when Chapman inevitably posts abuse. I don't think he'll be banned, warned, or anything.

I think any pretence that there will be any real moderation should be dropped, and the new group should be advertised simply as a private "club" where your opinions, and your opinions alone, determine whether you're allowed in. But unfortunately, there's no place for such a "club" on usenet, and that's why we're getting these lies. It's an abuse of process, and of usenet, and I will be making this clear to the relevant parties. If those who can't stand to read certain opinions want to form a "club" which is shielded from reality by censoring the truth, fine, but they should do it on their own servers as a forum and be upfront about their motivation.

It's just so like the lying car-haters to be dishonest once again: usenet isn't the place for censorship of certain opinions, so instead of just thinking "We'd better keep our new group off usenet", they immediately think "We'll just lie and call our new group a 'moderated' group". It's analagous to their dishonesty about hating cars: instead of "We're going to be upfront about hating cars and try to discourage people from driving", it's "We're going to pretend that we care about 'safety' and 'the environment', and try to bully people out of their cars using underhand tactics based on that". If they think they're going to get their way more easily by lying, they simply do so without a moment's hesitation. The lack of basic morals, and of any respect for the truth (or for any of the people who suffer as a result of their lies), is simply staggering. They have no shame; they are parasitic scum who needlessly make the world a worse place for everyone to live in, just so that they can achieve their warped, ultimately useless goals.