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On Apr 21, 7:50=A0am, Doug  wrote: > On 20 Apr, 17:46, JNugent  wrote: > > > Just zis Guy, you know? wrote: > > > > Mark  wrote: > > >> You can, of course, switch off your IC engine when stationary. > > >> Regenerative braking systems can be installed on them too. > > > Regenerative braking on an IC engine? =A0This I must see :-) > > > I understand that the much-vaunted (or much-criticised) Toyota Prius do= es > > that. It was explained me by a Prius owner that it uses the charge ther= eby > > placed in its drive battery when running in electric mode (the regenara= tive > > braking operating in both modes). > > > For all that, it only does about 42 - 45 overall miles to the gallon, w= hich > > you can very probably better with a cheaper, though less pious, simple > > petrol-engined car. > > Why are cars being discussed enthusiastically on a cycling newsgroup? > We are plagued by far too many motorists and their cars in the real > world without them also infesting almost every internet newsgroup.

The attitude of many here, but few have the courage to say it. Chapman of course is only enthusiastic about cars when it comes to himself, and others who he deems important enough to be allowed to drive...he would like to see ordinary people bullied out of their cars, and therefore campaigns vigorously for anti-motorist measures - even those which he knows to be killing people. For Chapman, pretty much anything is acceptable, as long as it brings the "benefit" of bullying most drivers out of their cars (meaning that he has the roads pretty much to himself while others suffer on overcrowded, inadequate public transport).

And what do you call someone who knowingly promotes, and gets the authorities to implement, policies which kill people? A murderer by proxy.

Duhg, of course, wants *everyone* bullied out of their cars, but only because he's unable to drive one himself, and he can't bear anyone having it any easier than him. That's about as bad as Chapman's reasons for being anti-motorist, but unlike Chapman, Duhg at least doesn't advocate speed cameras in the full knowledge that they kill people (I don't think he does anyway), and has the guts to be honest about his hatred of cars. As a result he doesn't get on my wick
 * anywhere near* as much as Crapman.