Nuxx:Ed1ab511-1f9e-4686-8893-520ae5cbe58e@t13g2000vbo.googlegroups.com

Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!t13g2000vbo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Lights Don't Make Cycling Any Safer Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:43:27 -0800 (PST) References: <9d08276e-0fb5-4fc6-8cf7-9b88c3ff86a9@o10g2000vbg.googlegroups.com> Lines: 24 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.71.49.124 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1296362607 7602 127.0.0.1 (30 Jan 2011 04:43:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 04:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: t13g2000vbo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=82.71.49.124; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Opera/9.80 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5.8; U; en) Presto/2.7.62 Version/11.00,gzip(gfe) Bytes: 2270 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:797948

On Jan 30, 4:40=A0am, Nuxx Bar  wrote: > Lights don't make cycling any safer, even at night, because: > > 1. If a cyclist has lights then they "feel" safer and take more risks > as a result. > > 2. If a cyclist has lights then other road users think they're safer > and take more risks around them as a result. > > 3. Adding lights to a bicycle makes the bicycle larger, meaning that > it's more likely to hit other objects, and heavier, meaning that it'll > fall harder. > > 4. There is no evidence (that I'll accept) at the population level > that shows that lights make cycling any safer. > > Also making lights compulsory discourages take-up of cycling. =A0You can > either promote cycling or lights; the two are incompatible. =A0Therefore > it's obvious to me that we should immediately remove the law > compelling cyclists to use lights at night.

Additionally, if we are to continue to make cyclists use lights at night then we should also make pedestrians use them, as well as people going up the stairs in the dark in their own houses, etc.