Nuxx:D1ab5b28-0352-4450-a110-d4a6d178bf65@f37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com

Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!f37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling,uk.rec.driving,uk.transport Subject: Re: Heads Up - parking fines & credit cards. Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:46:06 -0700 (PDT) References:     Lines: 25 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.156.193.13 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1250048766 7142 127.0.0.1 (12 Aug 2009 03:46:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:46:06 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.156.193.13; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.13) Gecko/2009073022 Firefox/3.0.13 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 2723 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:724184

On Aug 12, 4:28=A0am, Roger Dewhurst  wrote: > > 2. Do you think motorists should be prosecuted for making way for > > emergency vehicles by jumping red lights? =A0( > > Are they prosecuted? =A0Convicted? =A0Examples?

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.rec.cycling/browse_frm/thread/188938d83b8= b05e8#

In this case the "Casualty Reduction Partnership" reluctantly cancelled the fine once the press got involved. But people are routinely prosecuted and convicted for this "offence", since making way for an emergency vehicle cannot be used as a valid defence to a charge of jumping a red light in court. (This wasn't really a problem before we had cameras since no police officer would ever give a ticket in such a situation.)

Just one of a shedload of examples of "Safety Camera Partnerships" being unreasonable, anti-motorist and determined to issue as many tickets as possible. No wonder the car-hating denizens of uk.rec.cycling (headed up by "Just zis Guy, you know?") are such supporters of them, despite the fact that speed cameras have caused an increase in road deaths (in real terms at least...road deaths were falling at a much greater rate in the 40 years before speed cameras were introduced than they have done since then).