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On Feb 26, 10:34 am, "budstaff"  wrote: > And BTW, we _know_ that many cameras are placed for revenue-generating > purposes rather than purely for safety, but we're prepared to go along with > that as they only penalise the stupid.

Who's "we"? I don't think many of the trolls will agree with you. They think all cameras, and other anti-motorist measures, are great. (And yes, visible cameras only penalise the stupid, but not hidden mobile ones, unless you think that all drivers are stupid, because all drivers speed.)

I'm not going to respond to most of the other comments, because the trolling against me has reached fever pitch. The hypocrisy of those who claim that *I* don't want to debate properly is breathtaking. If you recall, I started this thread with a perfectly reasonable and neutral post, which most of the trolls leapt upon with their characteristic ad hominem and general twattery. That's what they always do whenever they think they're in danger of being proved wrong (i.e. most of the time). It reminds me of a cowardly school bully who just hits anyone who gets the better of them in an argument.

It's now become obvious to me why other Safe Speed supporters have long since given up trying to debate with you. It's not because you're right (let me just repeat that: IT'S NOT BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT), it's because you deliberately make yourselves as intolerable as possible. And you would only be so utterly obnoxious if you knew they had a point. Otherwise you would be happy to humour them with good grace. Do you think that people who are right about something generally give dissenting voices the kind of mauling that you do? No, they patiently explain their position with logic, because they know that truth will out, and no poison is required.

I'm sure it must be very difficult to admit that cameras don't work after having claimed that they do for so long, but that's no excuse to take it out on me or other Safe Speed supporters. We're just the messengers, explaining the facts. Cut your losses, trolls, and accept reality. Cameras don't work. And you should also accept that however much you might *want* it to be true, the best way of making the roads safer is not to restrict, frustrate, punish and irritate motorists. It just isn't, and no amount of wishing otherwise will make the slightest difference to that. Nor will throwing your toys out of the pram whenever anyone explains it. I'm sorry that the facts aren't how you want them to be, but that's hardly my fault.

Accept reality. Stop living a lie. You'll feel so much better for it in the end.