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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feeder.news-service.com!tudelft.nl!txtfeed1.tudelft.nl!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!prichard.zen.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Old Scarface  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Chapman: "Prosecute Drivers who Make Way for Emergency Vehicles at Red Lights" Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:11:34 +0100 Lines: 29 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090929-0, 29/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Organization: Zen Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 1208c0e4.news.zen.co.uk X-Trace: DXC=4C<ai9_oW_BTb^<k;`oQh@0g@SS;SF6nGR9OH0:RnENDQ87PV2NVofK`:ITG5aA:cG?1;F21bCb_D X-Complaints-To: abuse@zen.co.uk Bytes: 2710 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:735481

Guy Chapman thinks (along with others here, no doubt) that drivers who make way for emergency vehicles by carefully going through red lights should be prosecuted and convicted. This shows that not only is he anti-motorist, but he is prepared for innocent people to die just so that motorists can be persecuted. In this case, the innocent people are those who the emergency services can't get to or take to hospital because drivers won't go through red lights for fear of prosecution.

Don't believe me? Ask Chapman yourself. You won't get much out of him: this is one of those subjects that he refuses to talk about, because he doesn't want to admit the truth, nor does he want to lie (in other words it's another Lhuh Gnii-type thing).

Do you think drivers who make way for emergency vehicles should be prosecuted *and* not have any legal defence available to them in court? If so, it would seem (unless you can show otherwise) that you are also an anti-motorist monster with blood on your hands. What is the point of prosecuting such drivers, and why would you want them to be prosecuted, unless you were anti-motorist to such an extent that you were prepared for people to die just so that motorists could be given a hard time? What other possible reason would one have for advocating such prosecutions? I bet you can't come up with anything.

Anyone who is remotely reasonable, and who doesn't consider persecuting motorists to be more important than saving innocent people's lives, must surely be of the opinion that we should not be prosecuting motorists who carefully make way for emergency vehicles at red lights. Unless anyone has any remotely good arguments to the contrary?