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On May 29, 10:17=A0pm, Sir Jeremy  wrote: > On 29 May, 12:02, Nuxx Bar  wrote: > > > > > Perhaps, if they can bear the fact that the car-hating Livingstone is > > no longer in charge, the trolls would like to watch Mayor's Question > > Time (available for another 4 days): > > >http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b00bxr3l.shtml?src=3Dip_mlt > > > Just after 40 minutes, Boris mentions that there have previously been > > policies in London which were "designed solely to ratchet up the pain > > on the motorist". =A0(Don't worry, he's not going to implement any more > > such policies.) =A0That's funny, because the trolls deny that there have=

> > ever been any such measures! =A0Clearly the Mayor of London, who should > > know after all, disagrees. =A0So what's more likely? =A0That I, those wh= o > > agree with me, and the Mayor of London are imagining all the anti- > > motorist measures, or that the trolls are pretending that such > > measures don't exist because they think it will help them maintain the > > LIE that they don't hate cars? > > > Who do you believe? =A0The Mayor of London, or a bunch of lying, > > extremist, lycra-clad, car-hating fucktards who are too cowardly and > > pathetic to even admit what they really think? > > > By the way, isn't it an incredible coincidence that the trolls just > > happened to support Livingstone in the election? =A0The same Livingstone=

> > who rephased traffic lights to impede flow, went ahead with the > > western expansion to the Con Charge despite the PUBLIC NOT WANTING IT, > > said that he hated cars and wanted to ban the lot, said he was going > > to put up the Con Charge to =A325 for many vehicles, and implemented all=

> > sorts of other anti-motorist policies? =A0The idea that he, and the > > trolls who supported him, aren't anti-motorist is just too ridiculous > > for words. =A0The trolls can't even claim that they supported him > > because he advocated cycling, since Boris does as well. =A0It is > > ENTIRELY obvious that the trolls supported Livingstone for his > > motorist-hating credentials. =A0All their excuses and lies have been > > exposed for what they are. =A0When are the trolls going to stop this > > ridiculous charade and TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT HATING CARS? > > I think you're entirely correct, but you're also wasting your time > posting on this forum in present company. Too many closed minds.

You're right of course, and I struggle to find the will to read the trolls' replies, such is the venom against powered private transport and anyone who dares to advocate it. You imply that it used to be different though. Perhaps there used to be people who actually cared about road safety, rather than just pretending to in order to further their anti-car agendas. If so, it's a sad state of affairs that there's been such a decline in poster quality, and I suspect that Spindrift (and possibly Crapman) had a lot to do with it.

To a point, it's been quite fun watching the trolls get so angry at their car-hating being exposed, but they're so predictable and simplistic that it's becoming pretty boring. Oh well, it's good that the archives will forever show that these monsters are indifferent to people dying on the roads as long as motorists are being punished. I certainly wouldn't believe that anyone could be so callous and hateful unless I'd read it first hand, and there's now a lot of indelible first-hand evidence. Guy Chapman hates cars and is quite happy for road users to die if it means car drivers are suffering: he's effectively admitted it, that admission is part of the archive and he can't do anything to change it. That alone has made it worth me coming here.

Crapman and his troll-friends like to cite one of Paul Smith's old usenet posts constantly: one post is all they can find to criticise, and even that isn't really worthy of criticism at all. Crapman's archive of posts is far more incriminating and worthy of criticism, and if Crapman's opponents were as fuckwitted as he was then they would never stop quoting his posts. The same goes for Spindrift of course. Thankfully no-one who's against cameras is anything like Crapman or Spindrift. It's one of the clearest indicators you could possibly get that the anti-camera viewpoint is the correct one.