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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeeder.ewetel.de!eweka.nl!lightspeed.eweka.nl!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!prichard.zen.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4e3455e2$0$2486$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Bexley driver "'severely embarrassed' after attack. Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 20:05:05 +0100 References:  <998b11F9raU1@mid.individual.net>  <4e334b24$0$2491$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  <4e34118d$0$2502$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  <4e341a32$0$2940$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk>  Lines: 58 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To:  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Zen Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 561070b4.news.zen.co.uk X-Trace: DXC=gVjbMFW>mW^YddB3]XQQHP0g@SS;SF6nWR9OH0:RnENT:hoe0Z_FD?V`:ITG5aA:cWOfDiO9U19DY X-Complaints-To: abuse@zen.co.uk Bytes: 3916 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:819590

On 30/07/2011 17:13, Fred2 wrote: > On 30/07/2011 15:50, Nuxx Bar wrote: >> On 30/07/2011 15:31, Simon Mason wrote: >>> >>> "Nuxx Bar" wrote in message >>> news:4e34118d$0$2502$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk... >>>> On 30/07/2011 14:01, Simon Mason wrote: >>>>> >>>>> "Nuxx Bar" wrote in message >>>>> news:4e334b24$0$2491$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> If it's done as a genuine, necessary effort to prevent someone from >>>>>> knocking you off or squashing you then that's one thing. Of course >>>>>> your >>>>>> self-preservation is more important than any vehicle. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What is your opinion of this photo, Nuxxy? >>>>> >>>>> http://www.swldxer.co.uk/overtaking.jpg >>>> >>>> There's no real need to give cyclists that much room, and you and >>>> others >>>> are perfectly aware of that. >>> >>> One wonders why it is shown as an example in the Highway Code then. >> >> Because in recent years the Highway Code has sadly become biased towards >> cyclists and against motorists. See this list of perfectly reasonable >> suggestions from the ABD which were ignored just because they were from >> the ABD (Chapman recently linked to them and said they were barking, but >> then he would, being a car-hater): >> >> http://www.abd.org.uk/highway_code_2006.htm >> >> I'd love to see what objection you could possibly have to most if not >> all of those suggestions, many of which help cyclists (but I suppose if >> they help motorists as well then that automatically disqualifies >> them....) Go on, why don't you actually read them all and tell me what >> problem (if any) you have with each of them? > > > Makes good sense, especially: > > In Annex 8, Safety Code for New Drivers, the advice on page 112 about > taking further training should be strengthened. In the paragraph > beginning "You could consider taking further training such as Pass > Plus…" it is proposed that "could" be replaced with "should". > There should also be advice about advanced driver training available > from organisations such as the IAM, RoSPA, etc. Much greater guidance > needs to be given to new drivers to make them realise that passing the > standard driving test is only the first stage in becoming a safe driver. > Advanced driver training in areas such as attitude, and hazard > perception and response, has been shown to lead to significant > reductions in accident involvement.

Glad you think so (in line with anyone reasonable), and I agree of course.