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On Apr 23, 6:27=A0pm, Ian Smith  wrote: > On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 Mark  wrote: > > > > > =A0There's also some badly worded statements in the "What motorists wou= ld > > =A0like cyclists to know" section: > > > =A0"Motorists usually travel faster than cyclists and may have less tim= e > > =A0to take account of hazards." > > > =A0 =A0If they haven't enough time to deal with hazards they are going = too > > =A0 =A0fast. > > > =A0"Motorists may not always see cyclists.". > > > =A0 =A0WTF? > > > =A0... to mention but two. > > that was pretty much my thought - a significant proportion of the > 'what motorists want cyclists to know' bits seemed to be "that many > motorists are unfit to be in control of a couple of tons of fast, > heavy, dangerous machinery".

Is that why you hate them so much, and want restrictions imposed on them which are solely designed to make things so unpleasant that they give up driving?