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On Mar 23, 4:41=A0pm, Simon Mason  wrote: > On Mar 23, 3:47=A0pm, Nuxx Bar  wrote: > > > In more enlightened areas, they only have 20mph limits in force when > > kids are walking to/from schools. =A0As a result, compliance is greater= , > > and respect for the law in general is increased. =A0> > > Not on that (as shown) lane where I cycle they don't. I hit that lane > at 1530 when the schools are kicking out and get passed by cars doing > over 25 mph, despite all of the flashing 20 mph light boards and > lollipop ladies. No respect for the law or the children.

I'll take your word for it in that particular case.

> > > Urban 30mph limits still apply at 0300 when most people will be in > > > bed. > > > And yet you no doubt support prosecuting drivers who travel at 35mph > > at that time when they can see the road is empty. > > Around here they get the opportunity to go to a speed awareness course > at speeds of up to 39 in a 30 (10%+ 6mph). > Seems generous enough to me.

Yeah, really generous. Nothing to do with the fact that the "safety" camera partnerships now only get to keep drivers' cash if said courses are offered (and taken up); if a driver receives (or chooses) to take points instead then the cash goes to the treasury instead. I'm sure that's not why the eligibility for speed awareness courses has been significantly widened since the latter cash started going to the treasury instead of the SCPs. No, the SCPs are all about safety, they're not parasitical, money-grabbing, self-perpetuating scum in any way, shape or form.

I honestly think you're a bit naive about the motives and honesty of those who run speed cameras.

> > > Motorway speed limits are still 70mph for a car even when there are n= o > > > other vehicles around. > > > And yet you no doubt still support prosecuting drivers who travel at > > 79mph then. =A0From a safety point of view, it's absurd and unnecessary= , > > and I'm sure you know that really. > > I have no opinion on whether drivers should be prosecuted or not. I > choose to stick to 70 mph or under and enjoy a stress free drive. > I choose to obey the laws in other countries as well, some of which > have lower limits, some which have higher limits. > For example, coming down the A3 autobahn towards Holland I drive at > 110 mph, but when it becomes the A12 on Dutch territory I have to drop > down to 73 mph max. > I don't moan to the Dutch plod about it all being unfair - I just obey > the law.

Well, at least you admit that 110mph can be safe in the right circumstances.