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On Feb 23, 10:28 pm, Simon Brooke  wrote: > If you can't park don't drive.

Yep. As the car-haters say, "What's the best way of getting people out of their cars and forcing them to use other methods of transport? Take away their parking space at the end of their journey."

> The law is the law. If you want to live in a civilised society where people > don't beat you up in the street, burgle your house, sell your children into > slavery and so on, you obey the law. And if you don't obey the law, you get > punished. That's the deal. It isn't difficult to obey the driving laws - > it's extremely easy. If you can't do it, you shouldn't drive. End of story.

Thank you for your input (and yes, I mean that, because unlike the trolls I'm actually interested in debating things rather than having a go for the sake of it).

The other offences that you describe are all clearly detrimental to at least one person, each and every time. How many of the events described do you believe were necessary to make the roads safer or ease congestion? In how many of the cases could you say "The person increased the amount of danger/congestion by breaking the law"?