Nuxx:D92a8dda-03c6-42c8-8666-77475d10a875@b9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com

Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!b9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Keep right at chicane. Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:23:06 -0700 (PDT) References: <2YSdndZTQdvK-s3XnZ2dnUVZ8rKdnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk>  Lines: 43 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.163.209.43 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1246857786 13363 127.0.0.1 (6 Jul 2009 05:23:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 05:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: b9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=86.163.209.43; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.11) Gecko/2009060215 Firefox/3.0.11 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 3196 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:714934

On Jul 5, 8:49=A0pm, "David Lloyd"  wrote: > "Simon Mason"  wrote in message > > news:2YSdndZTQdvK-s3XnZ2dnUVZ8rKdnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk... > > > Well, I've finally got around to photographing a chicane for Judith wit= h a > > keep right sign that in the HC applies to all vehicles, including > > cyclists. The gully at the left only states that cars must not park in = it > > at any time. Funnily enough, oncoming drivers get very miffed when I ke= ep > > right and make them give way. It's not my fault, I'm just obeying the > > sign. Unlike many of them who ignore the give way sign. > > >http://www.swldxer.co.uk/zchicane.jpg > > > -- > > Simon Mason > >http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/ > > This is very poor. No doubt the designers did intend the sides to be cycl= e > bypasses, but they are not signed as such. As the use of cycle facilities= is > optional, the use of the central route by cyclists should be expected. > Unfortunately, the inclusion of typical speed bumps makes the adoption of > the primary position through this facility dangerous and uncomfortable.

Why on Earth would you need to adopt "primary position" there anyway? Apart from it not being a recognised legitimate position in the first place, no motorist in their right mind would overtake there, so even the feeble "trying to stop motorists overtaking dangerously" excuse is completely null and void. Only someone with a very large chip on their shoulder would even contemplate cycling in "primary position" through a gap that narrow (and short).

And the fundamental mistakes with the chicane show that such "facilities" are designed primarily to inconvenience motorists, rather than to "protect cyclists" or for any other reason. Accidents frequently go up where such chicanes are installed. As usual, the car- haters make themselves known by continuing to support such measures regardless.