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On Jun 23, 1:56 pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?"  wrote: > On Jun 23, 1:48 pm, RudiL  wrote: > > > I agree - all speed cameras should be concealed. This would avoid > > slowing down suddenly only to avoid being caught speeding, and > > hopefully more people would drive within the speed limits much more of > > the time. Average speed cameras have a similar affect on motorways as > > temporarily slowing down very briefly does not avoid the penalty for > > driving too fast. > > Yes, this makes perfect sense.

Ah yes, the car-hater's dream. So no surprise that the car-haters are advocating it.

In a way, it would be good to see the likes of Chapman shown to be hypocrites (in yet another way) when they started getting speeding tickets thanks to the wonderful hidden cameras. But I still don't think it's worth it overall. Huge numbers of drivers would get banned if you started randomly prosecuting a behaviour which every driver does (sorry, Unmentionable Fact #3945 there), and while the car-haters may want exactly that, the rest of us are enlightened enough to realise that that would have devastating effects on *everyone*, motorist or not.

Think the economy's bad at the moment? It would be much worse if millions of drivers started getting needlessly banned every month. This is the kind of thing which shows how dreadful the car-haters are: they want the motorists bullied out of their cars, and they don't care
 * what* adverse results there are.

> Drive as if there were a camera behind every tree and lamp-post and

...you don't drive any safer than you would have anyway, in fact you drive less safely, putting other road users at risk. But Chapman doesn't mind that: as long as motorists are being persecuted, it doesn't matter if people are being killed as a result.