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Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that there existed someone who:

- campaigned for anti-motorist measures. - knew that those anti-motorist measures were killing thousands of road users a year. - still campaigned for the anti-motorist measures anyway, despite that, because he considered the thousands of lives a "price worth paying" for the "benefit" of bullying millions of motorists off the roads. - had such extensive influence over government transport policy that his campaigning had led directly to the implementation and maintenance of the anti-motorist measures.

Would one not be justified in calling that person a "murderer", or at least a "murderer by proxy", given that the person concerned has been directly, deliberately and knowingly responsible for far more deaths than any "conventional" murderer in the recorded history of mankind?

That is why I have labelled Chapman a murderer. You can disagree that he supports speed cameras for anti-motorist reasons (you'd be wrong of course), etc, but I don't really see how any rational person could disagree that someone who the above criteria apply to is morally equivalent, if not worse than, a murderer. The only argument on that front which makes even the vaguest sense is something along the lines of "Once all the motorists have been bullied off the roads, there'll be fewer deaths, and that'll make up for the thousands of lives lost so far", but that argument is, on a number of levels, complete and utter bollocks. Chapman knows it, and that's why he's too ashamed to put it forward, or to admit any of the above, no matter how obvious it is from his posts and the fact that he continually and oh-so-tellingly evades those "difficult" questions.

So, that's all cleared up then. There'll be no more complaining from now on: "murderer" is a completely reasonable way of describing someone who very effectively campaigns to kill road users in their thousands. Of course he's going to say that the label's inappropriate, but then he would, wouldn't he? Such denials can safely be ignored, along with the rest of his drivel.

Chapman is a murderer.