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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.stack.nl!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!shaftesbury.zen.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4e3346b0$0$2531$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Simple Simon bottles it. Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 00:47:57 +0100 References: <6O0Yp.93146$2I6.28263@newsfe27.ams2> <99cppqF74gU1@mid.individual.net> <4e3175eb$0$2497$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk> <99dcfrFk1dU1@mid.individual.net> <4e319ade$0$2532$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk> <99dog6Fh59U1@mid.individual.net> <4e31b317$0$2496$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk> <99drnrFav2U1@mid.individual.net> Lines: 37 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <99drnrFav2U1@mid.individual.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Zen Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: d9e9d2a0.news.zen.co.uk X-Trace: DXC=\c9n2CJXGG1Hf6nZcdIbW>nok4Z\4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@zen.co.uk Bytes: 3064 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:819441

On 28/07/2011 20:31, Paul - xxx wrote: > Nuxx Bar wrote: > >> On 28/07/2011 19:35, Paul - xxx wrote: >>> >>> See, you miss the point >> >> No, I don't think I do. > > Yes, you miss my point

No, I don't. Now listen here, Chapman is not the innocent persecuted victim that he, you and a couple of other gullible (and possibly coached) people think he is. I can assure you that he gives as good as he gets. He is constantly sniping at me in his own way, and if you miss that (either genuinely or because you choose not to see it) then that's not my problem...if I want to snipe back then I will, and lectures from clearly biased halfwits will only spur me on.

Now maybe I'll eventually start to be the "bigger person" and stop sniping back, but for now, I'll bloody well expose him and his ways if I want, and that's up to me. You'll notice that I don't generally keep bringing up things that happened ages ago, but Chapman is a special case, because he deserves to have his hypocrisy exposed like no-one else does. In any case, the helmet issue is not "old"; he continues to claim that wearing a helmet doesn't improve safety, while continuing to wear a helmet, day in, day out. And I will continue to point out that oh-so-telling contradiction to anyone who might be tempted to take his arguments at anything like face value.

And this group has not been decimated. It's better, and more balanced, than ever. People on both "sides" now feel able to state their opinions without immediately being bullied or called "trolls" just for doing so. It's a kinder, more tolerant place. If you don't like that then that says much more about you than anyone else. As someone else said, there's always the censored group, which was specially set up for those who can't hack reading opinions which differ to their own.