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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!u3g2000vbe.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Selfish drivers are slower Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:17:22 -0800 (PST) References: <8t711oFum3U2@mid.individual.net>  Lines: 32 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.71.49.124 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1299111442 30211 127.0.0.1 (3 Mar 2011 00:17:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 00:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: u3g2000vbe.googlegroups.com; posting-host=82.71.49.124; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101203 Firefox/3.6.13,gzip(gfe) Bytes: 2980 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:800982

On Mar 2, 2:08=A0pm, FrengaX  wrote: > On Mar 2, 2:03=A0pm, Tony Raven  wrote: > > > Article in Scientific American that being selfish as a driver and tryin= g > > to optimise things for yourself actually means you make slower progress > > than if you work cooperatively with others to benefit the entire group. > > Sorry, don't see the cycling relevance. Maybe you'd like to point it > out. Alternatively, post this to a more relevant newsgroup.

This is not unjustifiably known as the unmoderated UK newsgroup which contains the most car-haters (even though some of the worst have now moved to URCM). Therefore, if you want to get the opinions of the anti-car bunch on something, in practice it makes sense to post it here, even if it's not directly related to cycling (almost all the car- haters claim that their anti-motorist bias is down to the massive danger that cars supposedly cause to cyclists anyway, so there's an indirect link...of course, often the anti-motorist bias is actually more to do with flawed ideology than safety, but that's another matter really).

It is a crappy article (which you'd expect bearing in mind that a car- hater linked to it), but I would defend Tony Raven's posting of it even if it didn't say anything about cycling, in the same way that I would defend someone who, say, wanted to see the car-haters squirm about the latest figures showing that speed cameras are worse than useless at saving lives. I at least try to be fair about these things, unlike some, e.g. Chapman, who is quite happy for people to make off-topic posts that he agrees with, but complains about posts that he disagrees with being "off-topic" even when they're nothing of the kind.