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On Jun 14, 3:49=A0pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?"  wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:10:52 +0100, "Simon Mason" > >  wrote: > >Why was he quoted so often in the news media? If there was any safety ca= mera > >story his lot were used to balance the official line. > > Mainly because he pretended to be rigorous and because pretty much > nobody else has any arguments against research from bodies such as TRL > other than the straight libertarian line. =A0If you look at the number > of quotations it declined pretty rapidly from its peak, especially > after the Which? piece which demolished his arguments. =A0

And there I was thinking that Which? hadn't "demolished" a single argument of his, they just felt (like many, many others) that they couldn't oppose speed cameras due to politics. Unfortunately, a lot of powerful and influential people (who can usually be described mildly as "wankers") are doing very well out of cameras, and clearly at least one such person held/holds sway over the publishers of Which?

Sad but true, and that is one reason why we don't get a lot more people speaking out against cameras (and the AGW nonsense as well, for that matter...people have admitted as much). Still, it's made me realise that Which? is not the impartial, truly independent guide that it claims to be, and it's as prone to political interference as any other publication, so that's one good thing that's come out of it.

If everyone who believed that cameras didn't save lives said so, you couldn't move for such comments. Unfortunately politics, a dislike of motorists and other unhelpful factors often mean that such people decide that it's better if they just keep their mouths shut (or possibly even say that they think cameras work when they don't, like you do).

> I was a bit surprised it took them as long as it did to rumble him, > his description as "fraudulent" of every piece of work by TRL with the > single exception of a piece he was able to quote-mine for support, > combined with the complete absence of any peer-reviewed publications > carrying his claims, was a bit of a giveaway.

"I hated the way that Safe Speed kept on showing in the mass media that my beloved anti-motorist cameras were killing people. I couldn't argue against what Safe Speed were saying since it was true, so instead I started a hate campaign against Paul Smith, and now that I've successfully driven him to his death I'm going to keep telling lies about his work in a desperate attempt to pretend, even to myself, that cameras actually save lives, such is my wish to make things unpleasant for those scumbag motorists at all costs."

You're scum, you're prepared for thousands of people to die just so that motorists can be made to suffer, and no amount of your lies, deception and idiocy will persuade anyone otherwise. I hope you rot in Hell.