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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!prichard.zen.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4e1b2a98$0$2497$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Another needless death of a cyclist. Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:53:43 +0100 References:  <4e1a9c80$0$2485$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk> <7e1a9d16-3a16-41c3-81ce-08611d6ef6e8@e21g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> Lines: 35 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7e1a9d16-3a16-41c3-81ce-08611d6ef6e8@e21g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Zen Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 5cbde9a7.news.zen.co.uk X-Trace: DXC=NILgm@4GE8N=DAdhZ02;[M0g@SS;SF6nGR9OH0:RnENDEW1HY7?bL^K`:ITG5aA:cGeo\4;5[KRjG X-Complaints-To: abuse@zen.co.uk Bytes: 2874 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:816291

On 11/07/2011 16:05, Simon Mason wrote: > On Jul 11, 7:47 am, Nuxx Bar  wrote: >> On 09/07/2011 17:29, Simon Mason wrote: >> >>> "He and a neighbour would do a daily three-mile bicycle ride, with Mr >>> Hackemer using hand pedals to propel his bike." >> >>> No mention of a helmet though. >> >>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2012832/Darien-Lake-Iraq-war-... >> >> Oh dear, a *needless* death you say? I much prefer the necessary >> cyclist deaths (you know, the ones which JzG is OK with, because they >> allow us to have speed cameras and other killer anti-car measures). > > Another needless death you will be interested in no doubt. > > http://www.thisisthewestcountry.co.uk/news/somerset_news/9133254.Removal_of_speed_camera_was_a__significant__factor_in_teenager_s_death__Brent_Knoll/

Yes of course, coroners are experts on road safety aren't they? I wonder what the speed limit is on the section in question?

At any rate, speed cameras don't catch nutter boy racers because they know where they are and just slow down and speed up again. Instead camera partnership parasites make most of their cash from otherwise law-abiding, safe drivers who are exceeding limits which are probably too low for the conditions anyway. In fact, one of the *rules* of camera placement is that the 85th percentile (i.e. the speed of the cameras are *not allowed* where it's genuinely dangerous to speed. You couldn't make it up.
 * safest* drivers) has to be *above* the speed limit. In other words,

Did you search for that story BTW? Did you not have any luck finding any others? What does that tell you about the overall effectiveness of your beloved "safety" cameras?