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On Jun 30, 9:25=A0am, Simon Brooke  wrote: > > Someone described themselves upthread as a 'car hater'.

...after you categorically denied that there were any car-haters except Doug. Think you might have "missed" any others? Would anyone in their right mind really think that Spindrift wasn't a car-hater?

> I'm a troll > hater. I have watched a great deal of the Usenet which I loved > systematically destroyed by them.

Well, if that's really the case, you ought to be relieved that there are no real trolls on URC (except Happi Monday), and you ought to realise that calling people "trolls" when you know they're actually just people with "awkward" opinions which you know you can't refute is extremely dishonest, and won't help anyone at all in the long run.

I'm sure you're intelligent enough to realise, if only deep down, that you won't be able to get rid of Judith and I simply by pretending that we're trolls and throwing troll-busting measures at us. So why are you bothering? Why don't you ask yourself whether it's really right that you're so eager to get rid of people who are just exposing truths that you'd rather weren't exposed? Is that their fault? Surely the best solution is for you and others to accept that those facts, however unpalatable they may be for you, remain facts nonetheless, and trying to gag people from speaking such truths won't change that one bit? You either have to accept the way things are, or attempt to censor the nasty truth-tellers for the rest of your life. You know which one's going to be easier.

> I agree people can and do change and > mellow and become enlightened and all sorts of other things, but I see > no reason to offer trolls a scintilla of hope.

We're not trolls. That's why troll-fighting measures which normally work on trolls haven't worked on us, and that's why "moderation" (attempted censorship) won't work either. Face it and stop this ridiculous charade. So speed cameras cost lives and helmets save lives: so what? It's not the end of the world, whatever your agenda(s). Bite the bullet, accept reality and move on; stop trying to persecute those who dare to speak the truth so that you can carry on living in your absurd fantasy world. Ultimately, the only person you're cheating is yourself.