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Chapman, would you like a debate on road safety via email or similar?

That's a straight-up request, and I'll almost certainly regret making it. But I'm hoping that you might be a bit more reasonable and less evasive if you haven't got an audience to show off to. Believe it or not, I'm not just calling you "anti-motorist" to wind you up: I really can't see what other explanation there could be for the content and attitude of your posts to date.

Nevertheless, if you are prepared to debate, fairly and properly, whether cameras work, whether you are anti-motorist, whether there are anti-motorist policies in operation on our roads, etc, and you're not afraid of the conclusions that such debates will reach if logic is applied rigorously and points are not deliberately dodged, and you genuinely have no vested interests in cameras, anti-motorist policies or similar, then let's have a go.

There are many things which I would like to see you answer properly, without feeling any pressure to "perform" by living up to what you think URC regulars expect from you. It would be nice to be able to write a list of perfectly reasonable, interesting points and not have you write it off as "drivel" just because you don't think you can come up with an answer that will sufficiently impress whoever you're trying to impress.

So how about it? At the very least, it would be good if you could reply politely. But I'm not holding my breath. (By the way, may I just remind you that you started the battle of insults between us by calling me a "troll" when I wasn't trolling? Admittedly I knew of you before that, and didn't think much of you, but you fired the first shot betwen us, as I suspect you do with most people that you fall out with.  But I doubt you're as rude as that anywhere except usenet, which is why I'm making this suggestion.  Hey, maybe we could even meet up in Reading.  Mandela Court do you?  I'm told you run a business there.)