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This shows more clearly than ever before that Clive George "knows" things which are demonstrably wrong (and no, it's not an "out of context quote", he really says it):

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.rec.cycling/msg/cffdecc7b45fc910

BTW Clive, I think Tom Crispin's waiting for a reply from you here (unless of course you've chosen not to reply because you know you can't win the debate):

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.rec.cycling/browse_frm/thread/b2edae04 85ecfc8c/61fbbb1751cd8273?lnk=raot#61fbbb1751cd8273