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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!shaftesbury.zen.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Old Skullface  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Richard Madeley's rant. Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:09:50 +0100 References: <4didnVpx3-lKc1zXnZ2dnUVZ8nednZ2d@eclipse.net.uk>     Lines: 47 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090928-0, 28/09/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Organization: Zen Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: a5adc54c.news.zen.co.uk X-Trace: DXC=7G6TYKXAma`iecb`[XPR_jnok4Z\ wrote:

> >"Old Skullface"  wrote in message >news:dg84c5h2jmpnn1plugthtbqo449q2vkfc9@4ax.com... > >When a cyclist causes a collision >> between themselves and a motorist, do you think the cyclist should be >> 100% liable or not? > >It's rare but I guess it does happen. So on those rare occasions where the >cyclist *does* cause the accident I guess that the cyclist ought to bear >part of the responsibility at least. The car driver on the other hand ought >to be deemed as at fault if there is any doubt whatsoever.

Why? Because you personally don't like motorists?

> Don't you think it's a good idea to make cyclists >> less liable than they otherwise would be, in order to "encourage >> cycling" (and discourage motoring)? > >What deters cycling is fear, not of the law, but of traffic.

In that case, why fight so hard against sensible, lifesaving helmet laws on the basis that they'll "discourage cycling"?

>To encourage >cycling we need to enhance the fear of drivers so they take more care.

...or, better still, give up driving altogether.

>Banging drivers up for a long time for causing death and serious injury >would be a good start.

That's right, even if they just make a momentary, honest mistake. After all, they've chosen to drive, which is a selfish choice, so they must be heavily punished at every opportunity, and never mind if there was no practical method of transport that they could possibly have used other than driving.

>You are Nuxxy Nullface & AICM5P

Claim all you like, it won't make it any more true. But you and your ilk don't really care what's true and what's not, do you? If you want something to be true, you simply pretend that it is, and cobblers to the reality of the situation.