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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <599799d3-3b27-40fa-af1a-8039fce9724d@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling, uk.rec.driving Subject: Re: Friends of the Earth Quote Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:59:29 -0800 (PST) References: <6074774d-6b65-42a5-aafa-5fbb4d4cc732@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <1ic295u.zveu85304knvN%notmyaddress.1.ekulnamsob@wronghead.com> Lines: 59 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.211.165.120 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1202644769 9777 127.0.0.1 (10 Feb 2008 11:59:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=85.211.165.120; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071127 Firefox/2.0.0.11,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 4362 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:639326

On Feb 9, 8:36 pm, notmyaddress.1.ekulnam...@wronghead.com (Ekul Namsob) wrote: > Nuxx Bar  wrote: > > "Speed limits should be made very low and rigidly enforced to take all > > the glamour out of motoring" > > Friends of the Earth, 1995 > > > Is anyone going to have the guts to admit that they agree with the > > above quote? Spindrift? His sycophants? Other militant cyclists? > > > The quote does of course prove that the continued lowering of speed > > limits and the proliferation of speed cameras are indeed implemented > > for anti-motorist reasons, at least some of the time. > > Please research the meaning of the verb 'to prove'.

Why do you keep replying to my posts if you think I'm trolling? And when are you going to admit that all drivers speed? Denying it is what anti-motorist types tend to do, because admitting it would show just how absurd and random speed camera enforcement was.

Now, the proof. Friends of the Earth clearly think what's in the quote, since they said it.

Friends of the Earth are "environmentalists" (in the recent sense of the word, meaning car-hating, freedom-hating, controlling communist extremists and similar; such people are not true environmentalists at all of course, but let's leave that for now). Therefore at least some "environmentalists" agree with the quote. In fact most of them do; I don't see many "environmentalists" saying that they don't support Friends of the Earth.

"Environmentalists" heavily influence current government policy, as seen by (for example) the government's acting as if AGW is an absolute certainty. Therefore "environmentalists" also heavily influence road "safety" policy. This is obvious to anyone in that current road "safety" policy is *always* about making life more difficult for motorists.

So, if at least some "environmentalists" agree with the quote, and "environmentalists" are heavily influencing road "safety" policy, then the continued lowering of speed limits and the proliferation of speed cameras (large parts of current road "safety" policy) are indeed implemented for anti-motorist reasons, at least some of the time.

Anyone who genuinely and honestly thinks that the continued lowering of speed limits and the proliferation of speed cameras aren't ever for anti-motorist reasons, even remotely, is absolutely insane. Think about it: what are the chances of that being completely true, up and down the country, all the time, without exception? How can anyone know that for a fact? It's a ludicrous supposition.

I think that the vast majority of those who claim that such measures are not for anti-motorist reasons are lying, and know perfectly well that they are for anti-motorist reasons, at least some of the time. Lying about something as important as road safety is a pretty low thing to do. Prioritising anti-car nonsense above saving lives is about as low as it gets. It's time to stop lying and repent. Because those who lie about road safety have BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS.