Nuxx:17041032-21f6-4baf-9fef-93709945b8b2@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com

Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!out04a.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!in02.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!postnews.google.com!e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <17041032-21f6-4baf-9fef-93709945b8b2@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Paul Smith Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:43:56 -0800 (PST) References:       <77029a0d-b0fc-4f48-a170-d2bb27842d97@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> <1i9a1bs.do7gev1usz6l9N%notmyaddress.1.ekulnamsob@wronghead.com> Lines: 61 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.211.163.51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1197963836 15741 127.0.0.1 (18 Dec 2007 07:43:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 07:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com; posting-host=85.211.163.51; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071127 Firefox/2.0.0.11,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 4711 X-Original-Bytes: 4668 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:633050

On Dec 17, 5:48 pm, notmyaddress.1.ekulnam...@wronghead.com (Ekul Namsob) wrote: > Nuxx Bar  wrote: > > On Dec 14, 5:53 pm, David Damerell  > > wrote: > > > Quoting Dan Holdsworth  : > > > > >No, they're bad because they don't catch the motorist who has bought a > > > >100 quid banger cash in hand and not troubled to register, tax or insure > > > >it and is thus rather difficult to trace unless you happen onto him by > > > >accident. > > > > Shock as particular facet of law enforcement not effective on all > > > criminals. Presumably policemen are bad because they don't catch pirates, > > > and naval vessels are bad because they don't catch burglars. > > Every driver speeds. > > Wrong.

Right. EVERY regular licensed car/motorbike/van/lorry/bus driver speeds at least four times every three years, and so, according to the speed zealots, should be constantly getting banned. If every driver was prosecuted for every speeding offence then the country would collapse; therefore automatic, discretionless enforcement is totally unsuitable. Have the good grace to admit it as everyone knows it. It doesn't matter if the speeding is "unintentional" or "momentary", it's the same as far as the law is concerned. I've heard all the useless counterarguments before and there's no getting out of it with any amount of bullshit. EVERY DRIVER SPEEDS.

You're only saying "wrong" because the truth shows how ridiculous and unnecessary speed cameras are. And you don't want to admit that, because you LIKE cameras, either because they make drivers suffer just for driving normally, or because you work for a scamera partnership or similar. Never mind the fact that people are dying because of the cameras, as long as you LIKE them, they should stay. Unbelievably callous. Don't you think it's time that you prioritised saving lives above making drivers suffer and/or your non-job pay packet? Is there anyone that you care about? How would you like it if they were the next to die because of your callousness?

> > Cunt. > > Gosh. You're big and clever.

And you're a liar. And a cunt. Anyone who wishes death upon road users (including cyclists) for ideological and/or money-making reasons is a cunt in my book. Even you must agree, if only secretly.

I just don't understand why so many cyclists (especially those who post on usenet/forums) seem to be keener to make things worse for car drivers than they are to make things better for themselves. Cutting your noses off to spite your already ugly faces or what?

-- Bobby Lightcycles Sign the petition to get Spindrift committed: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Spindrift Show that you REALLY care about road safety by demanding the immediate scrapping of all speed cameras; it's never too late to admit that you were wrong, and those on PH and SS will welcome rather than judge you for doing so; see you there soon!