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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4c77402e-5f19-473e-912e-2157002c07ef@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Labyrinthine paranoia Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:24:52 -0700 (PDT) References:   <6fbgldFanc9cU1@mid.individual.net>       <87ljzicec9.fsf@toy.config> Lines: 31 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.105.145.93 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1217539492 596 127.0.0.1 (31 Jul 2008 21:24:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com; posting-host=88.105.145.93; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008070208 Firefox/3.0.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 3185 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:659996

On Jul 31, 3:34=A0pm, Daniel Barlow  wrote: > Jeff York  writes: > > I don't know whether the Transport Research Laboratory's reports are > > peer-reviewed, but as they are generally taken to be authoritative I > > suggest that you examine TRL 595. It studied camera use on motorways > > Interesting, thanks for the reference. =A0The summary's available on the > DfT site - > > http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_foi/documents/page/dft_foi_... > > > and in summary concluded that roadworks with fixed speed cameras > > experienced a 55% increase in injury accidents. Fixed cameras on open > > motorways increased injury accidents by 31% > > However, I can see no such conclusion in the DfT summary.

I think you'll find that the DfT is a political body, which wants to keep cameras running for anti-motorist reasons, and also because it wants road "safety" for free. So when the figures in a report say the "wrong" thing, and show that cameras kill people, the DfT is hardly likely to admit that in the report's conclusion. It's by no means the only time that the DfT has done that sort of thing; they buried the "awkward" findings of the 4th Year Report in an appendix, even though those findings were a lot more prominent in the first draft of the report. Furthermore, DfT cancelled their research into speed camera side effects...now why do you think they did that?

DfT know as well as the likes of Chapman that cameras are killing people. In fact, DfT have even more to be ashamed of than Chapman and the other trolls. It's an absolute disgrace.