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On Apr 8, 12:05=A0pm, Ian Smith  wrote: > On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 03:53:00 -0700 (PDT), RudiL  wrot= e: > > > =A0However where I take issue is with people trying to argue that > > =A0cyclists should not cycle in a way that protects them from thoughtle= ss > > =A0dangerous driving. In particular adopting primary position makes suc= h > > =A0a huge difference to how safe a cyclist is that iI really can't > > =A0believe that anyone who professes an interest in saving cyclist live= s > > =A0can argue against it. It doesn't matter if it is legally defined or > > =A0not - it *saves lives*. the problem with people arguing against it o= n > > =A0here is that beginners are often rather nervous about it (even if wh= en > > =A0appropriately used it is much safer than cycling in the gutter as > > =A0beginners tend to do) as it takes confidence to move further out in > > =A0the road. therefore implying it is not legal (which it is, even if n= ot > > =A0legally *defined*) could put beginning cyclists off adopting this > > =A0strategy thus endangering themselves. That is why I finally felt > > =A0obliged to stop lurking and comment more publicly. A cyclist newsgro= up > > =A0should not be a place where people are allowed to try and persuade > > =A0cyclists not to cycle in a manner that increases their safety, but > > =A0instead to put themselves more at risk of being knocked off their > > =A0bikes. > > Well said.

He even said what you quoted him as saying.