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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!87.79.20.101.MISMATCH!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!reader02.news.zen.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4e2720a1$0$2949$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: London Assembly rejects Boris Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:38:23 +0100 References:  <07240b6a-d876-4397-80ca-7fd26d4c9f50@p31g2000vbs.googlegroups.com>  Lines: 51 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To:  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Zen Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 284be6b9.news.zen.co.uk X-Trace: DXC=Lg9FnY==5IAKHc_V7SDf3NYjZGX^207PK`_c1YQ<7S2@IFYk On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:07:10 -0700 (PDT), Simon Mason  > wrote: > >> On Jul 20, 4:36 pm, Bertie Wooster  wrote: >>> The London Assembly today rejected Boris' plans to increase the speed >>> limit over Blackfrias' Bridge from 20mph to 30mph.http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/5431 >> >> There is a poll on 20mph limits in the Evening Standard. >> >> http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/poll-49861-details/ques-51952-id/Standard+poll%3A+City+speed+limit/poll.do > > The poll is bollocks - I have just voted at least 12 times. > > Open browser - vote - clear history - refresh page - vote - clear history - > refresh page - vote - clear history - refresh page - vote - clear history  - > refresh page - vote - clear history - refresh page - vote - clear history  - > refresh page - vote - clear history - refresh page - vote - clear history   - > refresh page - vote - clear history ........................................ > > Simple really.

And psycholists are notorious for doing exactly that in their droves whenever they find out about any online poll. As we know, psycholists are uniquely devoted to their "cause", and sitting there clicking "Yes" or "No" all night is considered time well spent by the sad bastards. Spindrift has "boasted" about it many times. It's a fair bet that pretty much every time an online poll with a fair question goes in the psycholists' favour, it's because of foul play. Sigh.

Sites could, and should, quite easily prevent it by stopping an IP from voting more than once (of course some people can still hop to another IP, but at least it's another hoop to jump through).

Because psycholists are so dishonest, the only way to genuinely gauge public opinion about things they're interested in (such as helmets and anti-car measures like speed cameras) is to do a proper "old-fashioned" survey (and of course that survey has to have honest questions which aren't designed to "encourage" particular answers...psycholists/car-haters are sometimes not only answering the questions, but asking them as well).

I wonder why it is that car-haters in particular are so often dishonest? I mean, being completely wrong about something doesn't automatically mean that you have to lie, does it? You simply never get a car-hater who says "I'd like drivers to be removed from the roads, but telling lies about road safety isn't the way to to it because that would be dishonest and may lead to an increase in deaths". Invariably the attitude seems to be "anything goes if it means getting the driver scum out of their death cages". There's a definite and sinister "fuck society" undertone to their activities.