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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feeder.news-service.com!eweka.nl!lightspeed.eweka.nl!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!prichard.zen.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.net.news.moderation Subject: Re: Nominations invited for new moderators Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:40:24 +0100 References: <8f2hl4Ft9jU1@mid.individual.net>      <1joruac.nfnha2timr9cN%NEWS@sarlet.com> Lines: 52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/2.9.14 Organization: Zen Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 9d2bcbf5.news.zen.co.uk X-Trace: DXC=cF48AOH4;]c]gU6dG2T\Vn0g@SS;SF6ngRiiCXJE[K>gGH5=mE\dXmf`:ITG5aA:cgKOb7_FnYR9c X-Complaints-To: abuse@zen.co.uk Bytes: 3660 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.net.news.moderation:33322

In article <1joruac.nfnha2timr9cN%NEWS@sarlet.com>, NEWS@sarlet.com says... > > Ian Smith  wrote: > > > On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 00:21:27 +0100, Nuxx Bar  wrote: > > > In article , > > > ian@astounding.org.uk says... > > > > > > > > I won't moderate the group anyway. > > > > > > Can I ask why? Is it because you don't approve of the current > > > moderation methods, or are you just not interested full stop? If > > > the former, wouldn't joining the panel be one way to improve > > > matters? > > > > I disagree with the current methods, and don't believe that my > > involvement would improve matters enough to be worth the effort. > > > > The moderators have shown themselves immune to reason. If they were > > reasonable people, then the views of users of the group and interested > > members of the UK usenet community would have previously received > > serious consideration, and we wouldn't have got to here. > > > > I've concluded I want nothing to do with them. It would be a bit > > peculiar if I concluded I wanted nothing to do with an organisation, > > club or society and then joined the managing committee, don't you > > think? > > > > regards,  Ian SMith > > sounds cynical but I'd agree, one would just be out voted and end up > rubber stamping stuff. > > I really can't see any good reason to join, they want a boys club, while > it does anoye that they have used a public service to do so, Such is > life, there are people wrong on the internet. we move on.

Sigh. Much as I think that the only way forward is to replace the worst of the current "moderators" (at least Jackson, Clinch and Braggins, and possibly Brooke) with more reasonable types who aren't determined to run URCM as a private club, I can't really argue with either of you.

As stated, it's the (ab)use of a uk.* newsgroup which is really objectionable...if it was their own forum or private news server then those saying "People are using the group so why not just leave them to it?" would actually have a point. From the very start there has been a cynical and arrogant determination to circumvent the "rules" stating that uk.* newsgroup moderators must treat everyone fairly and without bias according to opinion, personality clashes etc. At best, we have only had lip service paid to those requirements, and even that is thin on the ground.