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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!41g2000yqf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <8f8c9c7f-b377-4ac7-ae77-9c13ecae89a1@41g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: This group has lost its way. Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:12:50 -0800 (PST) References:  <20090221180125.7f2165d8@bluemoon>  <20090221185546.35580c9a@bluemoon>  <20090222045600.390fe625@bluemoon>  Lines: 44 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.153.43.253 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1235329970 13917 127.0.0.1 (22 Feb 2009 19:12:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 41g2000yqf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=86.153.43.253; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.6) Gecko/2009011913 Firefox/3.0.6 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 3810 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:686769

On Feb 22, 3:02=A0pm, a...@chiark.greenend.org.uk (Alan Braggins) wrote: > In article <20090222045600.390fe625@bluemoon>, Rob Morley wrote: > >On 21 Feb 2009 22:44:49 +0000 (GMT) > >a...@chiark.greenend.org.uk (Alan Braggins) wrote: > > >> In article <20090221185546.35580c9a@bluemoon>, Rob Morley wrote: > >> >Mine says "Subscribe to newsgroup ..." but that's not my point - > >> >those are just client-side settings and it's perfectly possible to > >> >read Usenet without a client that has those settings. =A0With Usenet > >> >the content is just sitting there waiting for you to download it > >> >like a web page - it's not the same as subscribing to e.g. a > >> >newsletter, where it's necessary to have a list of subscribers in > >> >order to operate and withdrawal from membership has a tangible > >> >effect. > > >> Because that content will still magically just write itself if people > >> give up on the group? > > >People who don't like a group should change it or go away quietly. =A0 > >Whinging doesn't promote a positive attitude and whingers always seem > >to want someone else to fix it for them. > > In the sense that anything seen constructively attempting to change the > group won't be labelled as whinging (at least not by the same people), > that's true but unhelpful. It might even be considered whinging. > > But it's got nothing to do with the claim that unsubscription has no > tangible effect, which is true only for lurkers. There are trolls whose > departure would be greatly welcomed

And *still* Bilbo et al carry on this charade that if only "the trolls" left, everything would be fine. When are they finally going to admit that that there will always be "trolls" as long as the controversial motorist-hating nutters like Crapman and Spindrift remain, and that the only long-term fix is to get rid of *them*?

Why do Bilbo et al have such a problem with admitting that bad strategies have failed? Blaming "the trolls" for the state of this group is one such strategy; speed cameras are another. It doesn't seem to matter how obvious it becomes that an approach isn't working; Bilbo and the others will just stubbornly stay with the same approach regardless, because saying "I was wrong" is something that they just cannot face, no matter whether it would solve the original problem or not.