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On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:04:46 +0100, "Simon Mason"  wrote: > >"No collision, whether it be with a car, bus, motorbike or pedestrian, would >*ever* be the bike rider’s responsibility" > >That is utter tripe and not how these laws work at all.

Really? How do they work then? When a cyclist causes a collision between themselves and a motorist, do you think the cyclist should be 100% liable or not? Don't you think it's a good idea to make cyclists less liable than they otherwise would be, in order to "encourage cycling" (and discourage motoring)?

>It's just an easy >way of stirring up indignant Express readers and note how cowardly they are >by stating: > >"Have Your Say is unavailable for this story" - ha ha. Maybe they don't want >to have to get flooded with complaints like that chef in the Mail was.

Don't you think it's more likely to be because web cyclists have a very bad reputation, thanks to the likes of Spindrift? If you had a website, would you want to allow Spindrift to post his poison onto it, knowing the kind of libellous, disingenuous rubbish that he so often comes up with?

The point of allowing comments after articles is to further the debate, not to let some demented arsewipe pursue some utterly pointless, transparent, mentally unbalanced agenda against anything with 4 wheels. They could do that on their own website, if only they weren't petrified of being identified by the authorities.