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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!r36g2000vbp.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <9951c296-a4ae-4586-88b2-55fb4ada2618@r36g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Progress Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 20:21:50 -0800 (PST) Lines: 36 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.156.251.147 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1236226910 29811 127.0.0.1 (5 Mar 2009 04:21:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 04:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: r36g2000vbp.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.156.251.147; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.6) Gecko/2009011913 Firefox/3.0.6 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 3138 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:687932

I'm glad to see that this group finally seems to be returning to genuine cycling discussions (although some off-topic posts are of course perfectly legitimate). The "closet" motorist-haters at last seem to have got the message that this is not the place to peddle their thinly-veiled attacks on drivers, and they have either all but left (in the case of Spindrift, who of course has nothing left to say since he doesn't cycle) or removed the anti-motorist rhetoric from their output (in the case of Chapman, who seems to be trying very hard to override his natural urge to be offensive, abrasive and evasive towards anyone who disagrees with his stated opinion about anything...perhaps he's actually decided to listen to the hundreds of posted and emailed messages imploring him to stop ruining this group with his innate belligerence...let's hope he manages to keep it up, despite leopards and spots springing to mind).

Clearly, the motorist-haters are fed up with having their car-hating agenda humiliatingly exposed here, not to mention being out-debated, and have retreated, hopefully up their own backsides, but if they pop up somewhere else (which will no doubt be just as inappropriate a place as here), I and others will be there to stop them again. Ditto if they think they can reinvade this group.

If you hate cars, and want them off the road, say so and form your own anti-motorist discussion group; it is *not* acceptable to pretend that you care about safety and/or the environment just so that you can advocate restrictions on mobility. Anyone conducting a remotely worthy campaign would be happy to admit to supporting it, and not only that, but hijacking genuine causes has serious repercussions, which are infinitely more important than some illogical, petty, interfering, possibly jealous grudge against cars. The road safety discussion has been quite distorted enough already by your ilk, with the attendant loss of life, and it needs to stop. NOW.

That's all; thanks for reading.

Guy