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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!goblin2!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!feeder.news-service.com!tudelft.nl!txtfeed1.tudelft.nl!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!reader02.news.zen.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4e366d63$0$2942$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: So much for hi-vis Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 10:09:54 +0100 References:   <4e319d5f$0$2537$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>     Lines: 53 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To:  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Zen Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 3d459af7.news.zen.co.uk X-Trace: DXC=4VB4GJ7Uige6l^Oa0Ah_PgYjZGX^207Pk` On 31/07/2011 22:57, Ron Lowe wrote: >> On 30/07/2011 00:29, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote: >>> On 28/07/2011 23:21, Ron Lowe wrote: >>>> On 28/07/2011 18:33, Nuxx Bar wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Because, as with helmets, resisting compulsion is *the* most important >>>>> thing, >>>> >>>> Correct. >>>> >>>> The state has no business compelling things which have no effect on >>>> anyone but the individual. >>>> >>>> It's a matter of personal choice, whatever the risks. >>>> >>> So I assume you don't support the smoking ban? >>> >> >> >> In addition to my previous reply, I'll go further. >> >> Insofar as it does not affect anyone else, yes, I do believe that people >> should be allowed to smoke themselves to death. It's a matter of >> personal choice. > > So cyclists in denial about helmets cost the NHS millions in treating > avoidable head injuries - that affects others. >> >> Furthermore, I also believe that they should be allowed to use whatever >> recreational drugs they like. It's up to them. So long as it does not >> affect anyone else. It's a matter of personal choice. >> >> I don't use illegal drugs myself ( just the usual alcohol ); but I >> believe the prohibition on drugs is worse than the drugs thmeselves. >> >> The truth is, the prohibition does not work: >> >> 1) Anyone who wants drugs can get them. >> >> 2) People who don't take drugs don't abstain because it's illegal: they >> abstain because they choose to. They, like me, have made a personal >> choich. >> >> 3) Prohibition pushes the trade into a dangerous underground and pushes >> up the crime rate; >> >> This is no different from the days of alcohol prohibition in the US. > > I'd agree with that 100%.

Me too.