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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!goblin2!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!txtfeed2.tudelft.nl!tudelft.nl!txtfeed1.tudelft.nl!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!reader02.news.zen.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4e2acc32$0$2944$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Unusual "cycle lanes" on a local road. Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:27:14 +0100 References: <5849a071-de32-4bf0-a06f-a45b8f5eb768@h17g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>  Lines: 41 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To:  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Zen Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 056b3aa2.news.zen.co.uk X-Trace: DXC=d]\>f_17h2_:NKnQ:_cV[SYjZGX^207P[`Z4NSoKS X-Complaints-To: abuse@zen.co.uk Bytes: 3032 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:818311

On 23/07/2011 13:55, Simon Mason wrote: > Some wag has added this comment to the piece: > > by MadHatter1918 > Friday, July 22 2011, 10:58PM > QUOTE: > “Most drivers are confused as soon as they get in the car never mind > putting white lines nearly in the middle of the road. > > The majority of drivers I see driving along Beverley road in the 30mph > limit want to drive at 50mph then when they get to the 60mph bypass > they drive at 40mph.” > END.

If it's really the majority, and the person concerned isn't simply seeing what he wants to, then the thing you can be most certain of from reading the above is that the 30mph limit is far too low.

Time to start trusting the judgment of the 85th percentile, and stop assuming that just because they're drivers, they're selfish scum who will happily risk the lives of pedestrians and cyclists just to cut a few seconds off their journey, and just want to go as "fast as they like". Time to put a bit of faith in your fellow man.

> Can anyone guess why they don't wish to exceed the speed limit on the > by-pass? > > That's right, it has 3 safety cameras on it.

Ah, so your point is that speed cameras make people drive stupidly, unnecessary slowly because they're so paranoid and untrusting of cameras and the shady, self-serving "partnerships" which profit from them, and because those people drive unnecessarily slowly, queues form behind them, people get frustrated and things such as risky overtaking start to occur, and so that is yet another way in which speed cameras actually make the roads *more* dangerous and as a result you've now seen the light and think that all speed cameras should be removed?

Good on you. D'you know, deep down I always knew I'd get there with you in the end. But I did think it might take a few more years of exposure to intensive Truth Rays.