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On Jun 18, 3:25=A0pm, David Damerell  wrote: > Quoting =A0Tom Crispin =A0: > > >On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:13:42 -0700 (PDT), Doug  > >>What I would like to know is, does Boris ever use a car in the course > >>of his work? If so would this predispose him to the same sort of > >>motorist mindset exhibited by some posters here? > >We all, in this country, use cars, some occasionally others more > >often. > > Speak for yourself. > > I think Boris being a Tory prediposes him to try and keep cagers happy.

Assuming that's even true, it's just as well that it's possible to keep "cagers" *and* cyclists happy at the same time. Although of course the "I hate cars but I pretend to be pro-cyclist instead" loonies make it their business to try to convince everyone that that's impossible, and that every time you make things harder for motorists, you make them easier for cyclists, and vice versa. Such distortion of road safety KILLS PEOPLE.

Allowing motorcyclists into bus lanes is a prominent example of a measure which benefits motorcyclists *and* cyclists. Such measures make it very obvious which people are genuinely pro-cyclist (the ones who support such measures), and which people are just car/motorbike- hating liars who are pretending to be pro-cyclist (the ones who dismiss such measures out of hand without even bothering to look at the figures or anything). Guess what? Spindrift opposes allowing motorcyclists into bus lanes. Can't think why.