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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!goblin2!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!npeer-ng0.de.kpn-eurorings.net!xlned.com!feeder1.xlned.com!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!shaftesbury.zen.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4e35d7a1$0$2535$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Challenge for Simon Mason Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 23:30:57 +0100 References: <4e3417ce$0$2943$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk>  <4e343f8e$0$2540$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk> <-sednbStOLVn6KjTnZ2dnUVZ8kydnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk> <99lg2iFtbcU1@mid.individual.net> Lines: 61 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <99lg2iFtbcU1@mid.individual.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Zen Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: fa0d637d.news.zen.co.uk X-Trace: DXC=[2Xe?Xkd\hUFW5mO[12?SWnok4Z\ On 31/07/2011 16:34, Simon Mason wrote: >> >> "Nuxx Bar"  wrote in message >> news:4e343f8e$0$2540$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk... >>> >>>> Would you like me to ask YOU questions about your posting history? >>>> No wriggling now. >>> >>> You're quite welcome to ask a question of the form "Please provide >>> Google Groups links to any post where you have ever [...]". What would >>> be less useful is "Why did you say [xxx] about Chapman?" or "Why do you >>> hate cyclists?" (especially since I don't "hate cyclists"). >> >> OK. >> Are you proud of these comments you made about Pete Biggs who was one >> of the >> best contributors to urc? >> Aug 7 2008, 12:07 am >> http://qurl.com/34vh2 > > Do you mean the comments which were declared to be untrue in the same > post (and were stated to have been made - falsely - only to demonstrate > a point)?

Quite. And then there's the fact that he completely ignored me when I asked him not to start rebuking me for previous posts, which is not what I did to him: I merely asked him to provide examples (if any) of where he did something. And yet he has the cheek to lecture me about bringing up Chapman's "Lou Knee" post (which he, or anyone else, could stop at any time by just publicly asking Chapman if he made the post concerned).

I'm seriously starting to wonder if there's much point in continuing to attempt to debate with Mr Mason. I did think that he was a fair fighter and a gracious loser, but now I think he's probably as underhand as the other car-haters (and yes, I do now think he is one, and no, as explained many times before, it doesn't make a difference that he drives himself).

Again and again, it is crystal clear that this "the law is the law, and it is perfect and shall not be questioned in any way, shape or form, and nothing else matters" thinking only applies when "the law" can be used against motorists; where it can be used in favour of motorists, or against cyclists, then suddenly it doesn't mean squat. I can't think of any reason for that except an anti-motorist prejudice, which possibly Mr Mason is in denial about. Regardless, there is little point in continuing to discuss these issues with him unless he stops hiding behind "the law" when it suits him and admits that, for example, his support of speed cameras is not simply because they "enforce the law" and for no other reason. I believe that, like bus lanes, he sees the combination of low speed limits and speed cameras as a "useful" deterrent to motoring.

I'm sure he'll be glad not to have to have anything to do with me anymore after all the "horrible" things I've said years ago about his vicious, lying car-hating mates (the things that he needlessly and mysteriously brings up again and again when they're nothing to do with the issues that I've been fruitlessly trying to debate with him...it's almost like he's trying to stop the debate from moving along just in case he's forced into a corner by an Inconvenient Truth...no wonder he likes URCM so much).