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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: FAO Decent-Minded Camera Supporters Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Lines: 26 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.105.150.187 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1208381529 14953 127.0.0.1 (16 Apr 2008 21:32:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:32:09 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=88.105.150.187; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9b5) Gecko/2008032620 Firefox/3.0b5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 2767 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:647651

If you're a genuinely decent, nice person who (however misguidedly) really does believe that cameras save lives, and you thus support them for that reason, then *surely* you must have misgivings about some of the more prominent camera advocates on the Internet. Do you really think that Spindrift is a good ambassador for your cause? Do you really think that Chapman is? Presumably you would like to think that those who speak on your behalf are decent, and support cameras wholly because they think they save lives, like you. Presumably you would be against those who hate motorists, and/or gain personally from cameras, muscling in on your cause and pretending that they care about saving lives, when really they don't at all and they're just out for themselves. Again, you surely don't believe that those sorts of people (who *undoubtedly* exist) are the best mouthpieces for your campaign.

If you support cameras, but you think Spindrift and/or others who speak out in favour of cameras are doing harm to your cause, please have the guts to say so. I'm sure that if there are any decent-minded camera supporters left on the Internet, some of them must feel that way. People have seen Spindrift's posts, they've seen Chapman's posts, and it is amply evident that they are extremely unpleasant and anything but altruistic. I can't believe that (assuming any exist) every, or indeed any, decent-minded camera supporter is happy with Spindrift's conduct. He has more than earned his bad reputation, and camera supporters who really think that cameras save lives would be doing themselves a huge favour by disowning him and his ilk.