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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!a26g2000vbo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <20fa293d-ce6f-477e-8910-3f2ca0ddd2da@a26g2000vbo.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.net.news.moderation Subject: Re: URCM - 'Straw Poll' - the RESULTS Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 17:15:09 -0800 (PST) References: <8tkfmcF4a4U1@mid.individual.net> <8tkgvsFd0kU1@mid.individual.net> <20110307170607.064f6f9a@bluemoon>  <1jxs6ow.2bcabdselzerN%real-not-anti-spam-address@apple-juice.co.uk> Lines: 34 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.71.49.124 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1299546910 30229 127.0.0.1 (8 Mar 2011 01:15:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 01:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: a26g2000vbo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=82.71.49.124; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Firefox/3.6.15,gzip(gfe) Bytes: 2988 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.net.news.moderation:38584

On Mar 7, 11:05=A0pm, real-not-anti-spam-addr...@apple-juice.co.uk (D.M. Procida) wrote: > > Even worse, your antics over the last months have caused the group to > shed so many readers that any more controversy on that scale would > probably finish it off, leaving the moderators presiding over a moribund > newsgroup.

Right. So as we all know that Jackson will carry on exactly the way he has been (why would he suddenly start paying attention to his critics now, having proudly paid them *none* in the past?), it seems that we have two options:

1. Allow things to continue as they are, which will inevitably lead sooner or later to another controversy and a moribund newsgroup as described above.

2. Proceed with an RFD to remove Jackson, then leave URCM temporarily unmoderated while another platform is found (perhaps those running UKRC/ULM/etc can help).

So which do we want? A fatally damaged moderated newsgroup, or a temporarily unmoderated one with real hope for the future? It's one or the other ("doing nothing" is still choosing an option), and it seems like a "no-brainer" as they say. Surely only those who would sooner see URCM die than let Matt B post his terrible inconvenient truths would think any differently.

Apart from anything it seems fundamentally wrong to allow Jackson to remain just because he's threatening to withdraw chiark otherwise: he's holding everyone to ransom, just like his socialist RMT mates, and if we keep pandering to him then he'll just take the piss more and more. In the long run, chiark is not essential to URCM's recovery, whereas removing Jackson is.