Nuxx:4e2cfdf3$0$2948$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk

Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!txtfeed2.tudelft.nl!tudelft.nl!txtfeed1.tudelft.nl!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!reader02.news.zen.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4e2cfdf3$0$2948$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Cyclist attacked by four men. Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 06:24:03 +0100 References: <48297580-e030-4459-a86d-fe6293acb8c5@x10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> <4e2c3db4$0$2531$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk> <1ef3d314-76a6-405e-a3ef-771859a7c689@q9g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> Lines: 82 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1ef3d314-76a6-405e-a3ef-771859a7c689@q9g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Zen Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: a6540ca7.news.zen.co.uk X-Trace: DXC=U4f_8[^SGNdaogEM\ChbAgYjZGX^207Pk` On Jul 24, 4:43 pm, Nuxx Bar  wrote: >> On 24/07/2011 13:35, Simon Mason wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Safety in numbers as usual. >>> QUOTE: >> >>> "Police in York are appealing for witnesses and information after a >>> man was robbed and pushed into a river from a bridge. >> >>> The 18-year-old victim was cycling along Clifton Bridge in the >>> direction of Acomb, at about 1.05am on Saturday 23 July 2011, when >>> four unknown men stopped him in the road. >> >>> They forcibly took him to the bridge railings and searched his >>> pockets, removing his wallet, mobile phone and passport. They then >>> pushed the victim back against the railings and he fell about 8 metres >>> into the River Ouse below. >> >>> The man initially went under the water but was able to swim to safety >>> without any apparent injury. He found his stolen possessions on the >>> pavement over the bridge. A small amount of cash had been taken from >>> the wallet." >> >>> http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/index.aspx?articleid=7141 >> >> Interesting...they hardly bothered taking anything. They just left most >> of it. That implies that this attack wasn't motivated by a desire to >> steal, it was something else. So the "four unknown men" just wanted to >> deck someone for the "fun" of it, or...they went for him because he was >> a cyclist. >> >> Congratulations, car-hating psycholists who claim to speak for all >> cyclists, red light jumpers, pavement cyclists, and everyone else who >> gives all cyclists a bad name: the above is yet another (apparently) >> innocent cyclist victim whose suffering you may be partly responsible for! >> >> Also, it seems that a lot of cyclists are having altercations with >> others these days: at this rate, will there be enough psycholists on the >> Internet willing to offer their "services" by being the cyclist's >> witness (because they were there, honest)? Good old psycholists, >> sticking together, helping each other out by perjuring themselves >> ("because even if my friend is lying about what happened, it doesn't >> matter, he's still a cyclist and that's what counts more than the truth >> or justice...even if my friend did actually start the fight with that >> motorist, the motorist still deserves to get in trouble because he >> shouldn't have been driving at all"). > > Thank God, you're not a troll. Otherwise, if you were, you might come > up with some ridiculous fantasy that was an utter waste of time and > energy.

The above are my genuine, sincerely-held opinions. Would you have me not express them simply because you and one other (notoriously intolerant) person can't hack me doing so?

I can understand how it would rankle to have people express opinions that they don't genuinely hold (e.g. someone saying "Speed cameras save lives" when they don't really think that and just claim to because they hate cars).

But I only ever say what I really think. I really do think it likely that the four men attacked for some other reason than stealing. I really do think that car-hating psycholists and law-breaking cyclists give all cyclists a bad name. And I really do think that sometimes, cyclists "rent" witnesses over the Internet. And if I think those things then, however much you may hate it, I'm going to keep saying them, at least until someone proves me wrong (and you don't seem to be trying too hard to do that...I wonder why?) That, however much you may claim otherwise, is not "trolling".

Now please, try to post something of value, otherwise I might have to avoid replying to you altogether. I don't keep replying to your posts with attacks on you so why keep doing it to me all of a sudden?