Nuxx:4744b01c-003a-462f-91bb-be424cbfc4d9@d2g2000pra.googlegroups.com

Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!d2g2000pra.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4744b01c-003a-462f-91bb-be424cbfc4d9@d2g2000pra.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: How It Is Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Lines: 58 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.105.204.241 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1207347076 3448 127.0.0.1 (4 Apr 2008 22:11:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 22:11:16 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: d2g2000pra.googlegroups.com; posting-host=88.105.204.241; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.13) Gecko/20080311 Firefox/2.0.0.13,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 4432 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:646144

Camera advocates: Please be completely honest with yourselves in answering this. If you saw proof beyond reasonable doubt that cameras were making the roads less safe, which of these would you do?

1. I would admit that I had been wrong all this time. I would stop campaigning for cameras and instead start campaigning against them. I would apologise to Safe Speed's members for any comments that I had made against the organisation or its members. I would also apologise to road users collectively for putting them in unnecessary danger by advocating dangerous policies.

2. I would stop campaigning for cameras, but I would not campaign against them. Nor would I explicitly admit that I had been wrong all this time; I never admit to having been wrong about anything as I am too proud and arrogant. I would simply stop commenting on matters of speed camera policy. I would not apologise to the road users whose lives I had been endangering; I never apologise, because only weak people do that.

3. (otherwise known as "The Spindrift & Chapman Option") I would carry on campaigning for cameras exactly as before. Cameras are an excellent way of forcing motorists off the road, and forcing motorists off the road is more important than saving lives. It is worth sacrificing the people who are dying as a result of speed cameras; they and their families should understand that their lives are not as important as the need to make all but the most important people stop driving.

Sadly I don't think that many, if any, of the trolls here would choose Option 1, or even Option 2. Indeed, it could be argued that anyone who is interested enough in camera policy to be posting about it on a newsgroup like this has already seen proof beyond reasonable doubt that cameras are making the roads less safe. So the fact that so many of the trolls are still stubbornly campaigning for cameras just as much as ever should indicate that Option 3 is unfortunately what they are choosing. Monsters or what?

What did road users ever do to these people to have their lives held in such casual regard? It's unbelievable. "Trolls" isn't the half of it. "Callous bastards who should be permanently locked up for the overall good of humanity" is closer to the mark. They're the sorts of impossibly hate-filled extremists who have ended up running the world in those nightmare dystopian futures that you read about in novels. Unfortunately it appears that such miserable excuses for human beings really do exist. Some of them have already wormed their way into positions of power, e.g. admins on Wikipedia. We have to stop them ruling the world at all costs.

No wonder they're so incredibly offensive and unreasonable towards anyone who dares to expose the truth about cameras. They don't want people finding out what despicable, motorist-hating, all-road-user- hating sacks of shit they really are. Well, too bad, because everyone's going to find out eventually. Maybe it's time to stop the motorist-hating nonsense now and campaign for something worthwhile before the shit really hits the fan? But no, the campaign to force people to stop driving must go on at all costs. Well trolls, don't say I didn't warn you. Sooner or later truth will out, and you'll get what's coming to you. Suck on that.