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On Feb 19, 12:07=A0pm, Tom Crispin  wrote: > On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:06:06 +0000, The Medway Handyman > > > > > >  wrote: > >On 19/02/2011 09:41, Tony Raven wrote: > >> The Medway Handyman wrote:> > > >>> But they are not! It takes over 10,500 car weapons to kill 1 person! > > >>> Useless! > > >> Not really it takes just under 2 million firearms to kill about 40 > >> people or 50,000 firearms to kill one person. So guns are 5 times more > >> useless than cars for killing people. > > >OK, so what do you base that on idiot? > > > > > It is similar to the (correct) claim that the average Londoner's car > speed is less than 1mph.

If one got rid of all the unnecessary obstructions and delays that plague motorists throughout the capital without benefitting anyone else, that number would of course be higher.

The attempt to bully people out of their cars by deliberately making driving unpleasant has been an absurd failure by any measure, just like the equally irrational and draconian "War on [Some] Drugs". I wish governments would have the courage to ditch these highly costly, ineffective and intrusive measures instead of making cuts to services which actually help people. If we were only innovative and honest about which things the public *really* needs and which are just political pandering and/or only really wanted by those with vested interests and/or people wanting to spite or interfere with others for making different lifestyle choices, the current austerity could make society better by getting rid of things that actually make life worse rather than improving it.