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On 30/07/2011 08:33, Doug wrote: > If cyclists think that pavements are safer than roads then read this. The > truth is that anywhere within a few hundred metres of a road, including > inside houses, are not safe from crashing killer drivers.

Yes, a driver must end up crashing more than 50m from the road at least once a year up and down the country, which is ludicrously high when you consider how many drivers there are and how many journeys they make. It's just awful.

> Isn't it time that > the law put a stop to this kind of thing? Get these killers off our roads > and pavements!

Absolutely. Just ignore all the priceless benefits of motoring because of a relatively small number of KSIs each year (which is falling, and was falling by more until car-hating Lou Knees like you took over the asylum and saddled us with speed cameras and other anti-car measures dressed up as "safety" measures).

Although I do accept that one man's benefit is another man's disbenefit: while normal people see the freedom provided by cars as a benefit, I know that you and other control freaks can't stand the idea of people being able to go where they want, when they want.

If someone desperately needs to be able to go 10 miles to hospital at 3am to see a dying relative, and there is no public transport and no taxis in the area at that time, then they can damn well wait until 8am when the first bus runs, and if the relative has died already by then then that's just tough. Freedom is bad, and removing it must be top priority.

> "Woman charged over Caversham bus stop death > > A woman has been charged over the death of a 44-year-old who was killed when > a car hit a bus stop in Berkshire.

Chapman lives in Caversham and is in his 40s. Every time I see a report like that I think "Please, please...." If he carries on cycling as recklessly and belligerently as he currently does then hopefully I'll get my wish eventually.

Oh, and the "again" in your thread title is redundant, since you already have "another". Please be more careful next time.