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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feeder.news-service.com!69.16.177.246.MISMATCH!cyclone03.ams.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!npeersf01.ams.highwinds-media.com!newsfe18.ams2.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: _  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Troll Drawings Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:08:12 +0000 References:  <29c7bb99470c4149c487919bdf9e975b@pseudo.borked.net> <%nP1l.2627$tp1.69@newsfe19.ams2>       <222sk4106tmg9itd87v7v7072bm1m2lb72@4ax.com>   Lines: 31 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To:  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.21.204.127 X-Complaints-To: http://netreport.virginmedia.com X-Trace: newsfe18.ams2 1229872108 82.21.204.127 (Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:08:28 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:08:28 UTC Organization: virginmedia.com Bytes: 3157 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:681524

_ wrote: > On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:18:13 +0000, Rob Ward wrote: > > Google groups shows exactly *one* post from > "robert.ward@sparrow.invalid.demon.co.uk". > > A cynic might suspect (given the style, topic, newgroup, and previous > sudden appearances and disappearances of such "unique" posters) that this > is yet another nymshift by the troll.

How, precisely, would that make the questions raised 'different'? If they are valid points, and on first blush they certainly *appear* so, there is no relevance on the person who raised them! Oh no, hang on, I forgot. Its a case of 'Your opinions are not valid purely on the premise that I dont like you'.

Lemme tell you something - do with it what you will. I have *definitely* lowered my estimation of cycling and cyclists as a result of reading this group the last couple of months. I've no doubt that has translated into giving cyclists less consideration when I come across them on the roads. I'd *imagine*, but wouldn't wish to speak for them, that the same scenario is occurring to Nugent, Judith, and anyone else from 'outside' who happens to be reading here. That alone should make any rational cyclist here think that they must be doing something wrong, unless you're all *happy* to alienate yourselves further from motorists purely so you can stand back and crow that you're 'in the right'.

Lets hope you can still say that when you're laying broken in the gutter because the 'cager' you despise so much suddenly decides that he despises you too, and takes advantage of his hugely superior size-v-vulnerability ratio, eh?