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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <02217db3-05c8-420b-93fe-3da9f08fdfd8@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling, uk.transport.london, uk.rec.driving Subject: Re: Bus Lanes: Proof Of What We All Knew Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:03:36 -0800 (PST) References: <3282357c-d7aa-4691-a331-97561dba1306@1g2000hsl.googlegroups.com> <07080703-b9e4-47b3-9763-99fc09a01d26@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>  <6ebb9f1b-ff6a-4077-be40-8ea6f937cb0a@v67g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <13qgesmedsrin99@corp.supernews.com> <_bednUcezpraoDXaRVnyvwA@bt.com> <1902588f-168f-4a6c-97fe-ee0f0103fe8f@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>   <8sadnfwv2bnZDzXanZ2dnUVZ8h-dnZ2d@pipex.net> <4fe217a8-1faa-4410-93a4-a430ba3f87be@k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Lines: 50 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.211.165.120 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1202234616 4673 127.0.0.1 (5 Feb 2008 18:03:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=85.211.165.120; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071127 Firefox/2.0.0.11,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 4503 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:638762

On Feb 5, 5:03 pm, spindrift  wrote: > On 5 Feb, 16:43, JNugent  > wrote: > > > spindrift wrote: > > > "I think it's pathetic that the most vocally and notoriously anti- > > > motorist/anti-motorcyclist poster on the whole Internet denies being > > > anything of the sort. " > > > You'll have to take his word for the fact that he finds you pathetic. > > I dare say he's not the only one. In fact, I know he's not. > > I can take being called pathetic for no reason, not much I can do > about that, but if I'm accused of having an irrational hatred of > anyone it's reasonable to ask for some evidence. Anything, actually. > > They're building a maximum security segregated cycle lane on Southwark > Bridge, one of the quietest bridges in London (bridges in London are > particularly dangerous for cyclist, one killed by a moped rider on > London Bridge a couple of years ago). This lane has probablt eaten up > an entire year's cycling budget, and it's pointless and counter- > productive, I think. The limit of 30 on the bridges has never been > enforced bar Tower. Stopping and punishing idiot drivers would make > more difference and that, by the way, is anti idiot motorist, NOT > anti-motorist.

It is anti-motorist, because it's anti-any motorist that speeds, and in practice all motorists speed.

And talking of Tower Bridge, the 20mph limit is only there to protect the bridge's structure. But I bet that wouldn't stop you complaining about anyone driving at 21-30mph "endangering cyclists".

And as you said, you're not against the cycle lane per se, you're against it because it's "eaten up budget". If it could have been built for free then you would have been fine with it. Budget issues aside, you're always without exception happy with anti-motorist measures, including pro-cyclist measures that "reallocate" (steal) roadspace from motorists that they have already paid for.

Talking of cycle lanes, are you happy with the plans to "decriminalise" cycle lane enforcement, and issue PCNs to motorists who temporarily use cycle lanes to get past other motorists who are turning right, even when there are no cyclists anywhere near and it is quite clearly a safe and logical thing to do? Something tells me the answer is "yes", and we can of course check your previous posts. It's support of clearly vicious, unfair and anti-car measures like that which shows that someone is a motorist-hater. (And anyone who thinks that Livingstone and TfL aren't anti-car needs their head examining. Livingstone has made it perfectly clear.)