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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!n19g2000vba.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <99ced251-c74e-4f70-8b05-a355e17cdf56@n19g2000vba.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.net.news.config,uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: create moderated newsgroup uk.rec.cycling.moderated Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:53:14 -0700 (PDT) References:   Lines: 38 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.153.43.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1246492394 32604 127.0.0.1 (1 Jul 2009 23:53:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: n19g2000vba.googlegroups.com; posting-host=86.153.43.239; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.11) Gecko/2009060215 Firefox/3.0.11 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 3136 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.net.news.config:55019 uk.rec.cycling:6418

On Jul 1, 7:15=A0pm, N Ron Hubbard  wrote: > Nuxx Bar wrote: > > > But you know speed cameras cost lives. > > What are you smoking?

It's my opinion, backed up by plenty of evidence. It may be counterintuitive, and it may not be something that car-haters or control freaks want to accept, but that doesn't make it any less true. Yet plenty of people wish to gag the likes of me from expressing opinions like that, mainly because they don't want what I'm saying to be true, but nor can they refute it. Are you one of them?

> > You just pretend to think they > > save lives because you hate motorists (your posts are littered with > > the evidence). =A0That's really callous, and disrespectful towards thos= e > > who've lost their lives in road accidents, don't you think? > > killed by people speeding, you mean?

Sigh. Come back when you've actually looked at the figures with an open mind. How many accidents have you heard of which were caused by someone going over the speed limit when their driving was OK in every other way? Speed cameras focus purely on a behaviour which costs subtle than others) cost more lives than they could ever possibly save, hence cameras have a net cost in terms of lives. I didn't believe it either when I first heard it, but I haven't been in any doubt for years.
 * very* few lives, and the myriad side effects of cameras (some more

If I felt for a moment that it was a worthwhile use of my time, I would continue to explain to you what was what, but sadly I think it likely that I'm talking to a brick wall. Anyone who's still on "WHAT? You're *criticising speed cameras*?!" by now doesn't exactly fill me with optimism about their grip on how road safety and good driving really works.