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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!goblin3!goblin.stu.neva.ru!bolzen.all.de!news.qsc.de!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!reader02.news.zen.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Guy Cuthbertson  Newsgroups: uk.net.news.moderation Subject: Re: URCM: Enough is Enough Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 00:46:27 +0100 References:  <0c614fbc223eb2c9eb88c129da797d34@msgid.frell.theremailer.net> Lines: 47 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/2.9.14 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100621-1, 21/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Organization: Zen Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: dee874ad.news.zen.co.uk X-Trace: DXC=R`FO;I=?6RP9YUaWV27Tl^YjZGX^207P[`, me@privacy.net says... > > Guy Cuthbertson wrote: > > > simultaneously debunked one of the car-haters' main excuses for their > > attitude towards motorists, which of course is really about a dislike of > > capitalism and/or personal freedom)? > > What are you smoking?

I'm afraid I'm not the only person who has your number (and that of many others round here), Chapman:

http://www.conwayfor.org/Files/MediaFiles/CWF%20Transport%20Policy% 20Paper%20web.pdf

"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility."

That's you to a tee, and anyone can work it out from your posts. You give "space"/"congestion", "danger", and "the environment" as your main reasons for disliking car use, but when someone shows those reasons to be illogical, you try to stop them showing it, dismiss their points out of hand and still call for draconian restrictions on cars in order to force modal shift. Someone who really disliked cars for those stated reasons wouldn't react like that: they would actually listen, and they would stop disliking cars once the illogicality of their "reasons" was demonstrated, because of course there wouldn't be any non-debunked reasons left.

You also show that you don't care about congestion when you advocate congestion-causing measures like unnecessary traffic lights and roadspace removal; you show that you don't care about danger when you advocate speed cameras despite knowing that they kill people; ditto with the environment and your advocacy of measures which cause unnecessary stopping and starting of traffic. So it seems clear from all that that you must dislike cars for a hidden, separate reason which you're too embarrassed to reveal, and the only explanations I find plausible are that you're a closet socialist and/or someone who thinks that everyone (except them) needs to be controlled all the time and that personal freedom is a bad idea. It's obviously something you feel pretty strongly about, so why the reluctance to admit it?