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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal Subject: Re: Amir Khan and irresponsible driving Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:54:13 -0700 (PDT) References: <15aff538-fc91-4126-b918-51e75de41781@g31g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>  <1j2wfmx.1llz4081wmb8z6N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>  <7c64qdF26im1bU4@mid.individual.net>   <1729d011-aae2-4347-b5cc-58912cc7ca59@m11g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <3f501d2e-2963-4cbe-a991-a1a844dc7fb2@k19g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>  Lines: 116 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.163.209.43 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1247687653 8261 127.0.0.1 (15 Jul 2009 19:54:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com; posting-host=86.163.209.43; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.11) Gecko/2009060215 Firefox/3.0.11 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 5846 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:717698

On Jul 15, 3:24=A0pm, spindrift  wrote: > On 15 July, 15:19, "Man at B&Q"  wrote: > > > > > On Jul 15, 3:12=A0pm, spindrift  wrote: > > > > On 15 July, 15:05, "Man at B&Q"  wrote: > > > > > On Jul 15, 2:51=A0pm, spindrift  wrote: > > > > > > On 15 July, 14:44, Bod  wrote: > > > > > > > spindrift wrote: > > > > > > > On 15 July, 14:17, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote: > > > > > > >> mileburner  wrote: > > > > > > >>> You mean, they don't have the attitude, get out of the way = you stupid, > > > > > > >>> stupid cyclists? > > > > > > >> Nor do motorists here in the UK. Mind you cyclists in contin= ental Europe > > > > > > >> are not bloody-minded road obstructing fascists, which is al= so different > > > > > > >> from the UK and the "hypoCritical Mess" twats. > > > > > > > > You said this before Steve, that The Primary Position was des= igned to > > > > > > > frustrate motorists. > > > > > > > > When I showed you why it's often the safest way to cycle, you > > > > > > > disappeared. > > > > > > > > Now you're back spouting the same drivel. > > > > > > > > What's your opinion on the road safety advisers who recommend= the > > > > > > > Primary Position please? > > > > > > > Why do you think you are right and they are all wrong? > > > > > > > Because it is not in the Highway Code? > > > > > > > Bod- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > =A0While the terms 'primary' and 'secondary' are widely used in a= ll > > > > > recognised manuals - most notably the book Cyclecraft, endorsed b= y The > > > > > Department For Transport and the CTC (Cyclists'Touring Club). The > > > > > primary position is generally the safest for the cyclist, the > > > > > secondary being an option available to you that helps traffic beh= ind > > > > > see ahead and overtake you. But you should only adopt the seconda= ry > > > > > position if you don't put your own safety at risk in the process. > > > > > >http://www.bikeradar.com/fitness/article/technique-road-positionin= g-197 > > > > > Where we see from the very first sentence of the answer to the very > > > > first question is "The primary riding position is in the centre of = the > > > > lane". > > > > > Why did you deny this to be the case in another post? I quote from = you > > > > "Primary isn't the middle of the lane at all. > > > > > It's roughly where the nearside wheel of a vehicle would be." > > > > > Caught out again. You're just a nutter who can't even cite sources = to > > > > back up his own statements. Why should we take anything you say > > > > seriously? > > > > > MBQ- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Look at the picture: > > > >http://www.cyclechat.co.uk/blog/tag/highway-code/ > > > There are several pictures on that page. > > > > That's directly from the Highway Code. > > > No it isn't. It's from a cycle chat site. If it's from the highway > > code then provide a link to the on-line Highway code. > > > > Where do you think the cyclist is? > > > Is this like one of those "spot the ball" competitions? What's the > > prize? > > > Tell us again where the primary position is. But don't worry, the > > google archive is there for all to see your confused and contradictory > > posts. > > > MBQ- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Here you go: > > http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070314 > > That's secondary, I'd say, roughly where the car's nearside wheels > would be were there no cyclist there. > > Primary is the middle of the lane, you were right, I was wrong, sorry.

Wow. While you're making groundbreaking admissions, how about coming clean about hating motorists? You don't seriously think anyone believes otherwise anymore, surely?