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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!z5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <890df89d-fac3-42fc-b233-d23cad715ca5@z5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling,uk.net.news.config Subject: Re: Pre-RFD: uk.rec.cycling.moderated Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:54:02 -0700 (PDT) References: <2lc*4xWHs@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>  Lines: 132 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.156.251.27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1243382042 28127 127.0.0.1 (26 May 2009 23:54:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:54:02 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.156.251.27; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042316 Firefox/3.0.10 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 7164 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:3891 uk.net.news.config:51893

On May 26, 11:22=A0pm, Phil W Lee  wrote: > Ian Jackson  considered 26 May 2009 > 17:25:06 +0100 (BST) the perfect time to write: > > > > >Below is a draft of the formal RFD I plan to use to start the official > >newsgroup creation process. =A0I've been informally advised by a member > >of the usenet.org.uk Committee that we should sort out the exact > >proposed charter before taking the matter forward. > > >So please take a look at the message below, and put forward your > >opinions. =A0In particular: > > * Have I got the core of the charter right ? > > * Is this the right moderation policy ? > > * Is this the right crossposting policy ? > > * Is it right to make discussion of the moderation policy > > =A0 on topic in urcm ? > > * Is everyone happy for me to host the moderation panel email > > =A0 list and the moderation robot ? =A0(I've had contributions of > > =A0 some good-looking code changes to STUMP so I imagine we'll > > =A0 be using that.) > > >Also, we need some moderators. =A0If you would like to put yourself > >forward, or suggest someone else, please post here in this thread. > >If you have problems with potential moderators, feel free also to > >email me privately if you prefer. > > >I think we should be looking for a panel of around six moderators. > >I'm willing to volunteer. =A0If you think I'd be a bad choice, please > >say so here or privately. > > >Note that I have many of the trolls firmly killfiled. =A0So please don't > >reply to the trolls in this thread, or reply to anyone else's replies > >to the trolls. =A0Otherwise I may miss your important contributions. > > >From: Ian Jackson  > >Subject: RFD: uk.rec.cycling.moderated > >Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling,uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.announce > >Followup-to: uk.rec.cycling,uk.net.news.config > > >uk.rec.cycling has for some time been suffering from an infestation of > >trolls, nym-shifters and forgeries. =A0Many of these posters are hostile > >to cycling. =A0There has even been real-world harassement such as > >abusive late night phone calls. =A0Repetitive flamage now constitutes > >50-75% of the group by number of articles. =A0This ongoing and worsening > >problem has been making the group nearly unuseable for ordinary > >discussion. > > >I therefore propose that we should create: > > >uk.rec.cycling.moderated =A0 =A0Cycling in the UK (Moderated) > > >CHARTER > > >This group is for the discussion of all matters relating to cycling > >in the UK. =A0Recreational cycling, cycling for transport, racing, and > >other forms of cycling are all on-topic. > > >Moderation will be used to ensure that the group remains civil, > >pleasant, and sympathetic to cyclists and cycling. > > >The moderators may, as they see fit to achieve these goals: approve, > >reject, robomodorate, whitelist, blacklist, make enquiries, write and > >change detailed procedures or policies, delegate, and/or take other > >reasonable measures. > > >In case of disagreement amongst the moderators, the majority of the > >moderation panel shall prevail. =A0The moderation panel may vote to > >dismiss or appoint moderators. > > >Crossposting to uk.rec.cycling is not normally permitted. > >Constructive discussion of the moderation policy is permitted in the > >newsgroup itself. > > >uk.rec.cycling will remain as an unmoderated alternative; articles > >which are unsympathetic to cycling (for example, vehement opposition > >to cycling or cyclists, and full and frank discussions of transport > >policy) may be posted there or to other unmoderated groups in uk.*. > > >Initial Moderators: > > > > > >INITIAL MODERATION POLICY > > >Postings should be conducive to a civil and pleasant atmosphere, > >and remain sympathetic to cyclists and cycling. =A0Each moderator will > >accept or reject postings based on their own judgement. > > >The moderators will operate a whitelist system: new posters' messages > >will be manually moderated by whichever moderator happens to get to > >them first. =A0Individual moderators may, when they consider a poster > >sensible, add the poster to the whitelist; whitelisted posters' > >messages will thereafter be posted automatically. =A0Individual > >moderators may remove a poster from the whitelist, when they post > >inappropriate or borderline messages. > > >Decisions by individual moderators to approve or reject postings may > >be appealed to the whole moderation panel. =A0The panel would prefer > >this to be done privately to make it easier for the panel to overrule > >a mistaken moderator without anyone losing face. > > >This policy will be updated by the moderation panel as they see fit. > > >The moderators can be reached at > > =A0urcm-moderat...@chiark.greenend.org.uk > > =A0http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/urcm/ > > >DISCUSSION > > >Discussion should be crossposted to uk.rec.cycling and > >uk.net.news.config. =A0Only messages posted to uk.net.news.config form > >part of the official discussion. > > >Readers from uk.rec.cycling are encouraged to read the discussion in > >uk.net.news.config just in case some articles are not properly > >crossposted to urc. > > >Readers in uk.net.news.config should be aware that this proposal is > >likely to attract opposition from the trolls, and that many of the > >likely readers of uk.rec.cycling.moderated have those trolls killfiled > >- so adverse conclusions should not be drawn if such posts sometimes > >go unanswered. > > Looks excellent to me. > I'd allow discussion of moderation policy as on-topic. > I'm prepared to put myself forward as a member of the moderation > panel, if you want me.

I object to that, for what should be obvious reasons.