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On Apr 7, 7:36 am, spindrift  wrote: > On 7 Apr, 05:04, Tom Crispin  > wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:14:51 -0500, Jeff  > > wrote: > > > >Drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists, need to share the roads. To do so > > >sensibly requires that each group understand the needs of the others. > > >As a prior poster noted, every vehicle has blind spots. Do pedestrians > > >and cyclists consider that and attempt to position themselves in visible > > >spots (I do)? Do they even know how large lorries operate? When you're > > >a mouse living amongst elephants, you ought to know a bit about > > >elephants for your own safety. > > > While educating the public about the dangers of large vehicles is a > > laudable ambition, the practical difficulties of such a task are > > immense. > > > The onus must be on the driver of any vehicle - especially those of > > large vehicles - to show care and consideration to those around them. > > If drivers are not prepared to show that care and consideration to > > those around them, they should not be allowed to drive. > > > Designers of these vehicles, as others have said, must also take > > responsibility for the safety of those outside the cab. But as the > > end user, drivers should refuse to drive vehicles which they deem to > > be fundamentaly unsafe for other road users. And if they do choose to > > drive such a vehicle, they should be accountable if they kill someone > > while doing so. > > There is no evidence that Madeleine undertook. The driver admitted > seeing the other cyclist and yet continued to turn. accepting the only > surviving witness to a fata RTA is problematic, using a girl's death > to bang the drum about speed cameras is beneath contempt.

I agree. Using the girl's death as an excuse to install a speed camera, when exceeding the speed limit was nothing to do with the accident, is indeed beneath contempt, as are the trolls who advocate such measures.