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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <6052c2d7-d26e-44c3-94f2-7b038629ff61@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Pre-RFD: uk.rec.cycling.moderated Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 05:21:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <2lc*4xWHs@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>  Lines: 58 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.156.251.27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1243426911 6033 127.0.0.1 (27 May 2009 12:21:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:21:51 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.156.251.27; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042316 Firefox/3.0.10 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 4107 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:704580

On May 27, 8:16=A0am, Peter Fox  wrote: > Ian Jackson wrote: > > Great, well done Ian. Go with it. =A0Don't spend too much time navel-gazi= ng - I > want my ng back.

Just get rid of the two root causes, Chapman and Spindrift. *Then* you'll get your newsgroup back, more-or-less as it was before, instead of a pale imitation with "moderation" which will very quickly descend into bickering, end up with only a few of the most fuckwitted posters, and permanently change things for the worse. And be a whole lot of hassle for a whole lot of people. The new newsgroup has *no hope* of being anything like "the old days" as there will just be too much change: remove Chapman and Spindrift, and there is next to no change from how things were.

> Shame it comes to this, but as we used to have a decent ng without modera= tion, > once there's a big troll-stick the problem of moderation will become mini= mal > (just hassle for moderators). =A0Some posters have concerns about the pos= sibility > of PC-ness and toeing the party-line being a result of moderation, but we= all > know that the the 'rules' are not there for that purpose.

None of this need be a concern if the most elegant and effective solution by far is implemented. Chapman, and to a lesser extent Spindrift, attract nearly all the trouble. There is ample evidence of this. No-one even bothers denying it. Why not try getting rid of them before going to the trouble of creating a new newsgroup and arguing over who's going to be "moderating" and what the "moderation" policy is? If it works, which it will, then great, and if it doesn't, it's not like any real additional effort or time has been expended.

> =A0> Moderation will be used to ensure that the group remains civil, > =A0> pleasant, and sympathetic to cyclists and cycling. > > Possible rewording of the above: =A0"...pleasant, and supportive of the U= K cycling > community"

Reword it all you like, it's still just an excuse to ban those with certain opinions who you can't find any other reason to ban. If Safe Speed had a posting policy which said posters had to be "supportive of the UK motoring community", the trolls would never stop complaining about it. First class hypocrites, as always.

You all know I'm right. In fact, this whole "moderation" nonsense has stemmed from just that: people know that I/Judith/nully/JNugent/MattB/ Bod/etc are right about things, and they can't stand it. Rather than just conceding that we're correct, like grown-ups would, they go to the ends of the Earth to stop us from posting our opinions, because they're desperate to go on kidding themselves that we're wrong and they're right. They're damned if they're going to change their opinions when they've had them for so long, whatever the truth might be. PATHETIC.