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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!news3.google.com!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!news-transit.tcx.org.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!prichard.zen.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4e269880$0$2487$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: OT: one for Doug (vulnerable never at fault) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 09:57:35 +0100 References:  Lines: 21 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To:  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Zen Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 8f919306.news.zen.co.uk X-Trace: DXC=2l?]a\jBLd2H\B?SViP\860g@SS;SF6n7R9OH0:RnEN4Gfk7D_jF1X3`:ITG5aA:c7?=C[ Can you explain how this crash would be the 'fault' of the motor vehicle > driver? > > Gang of 40 cyclists riding too close, one falls over (as they do) another, > unable to stop because of travelling too close and too fast, swerves into > oncoming traffic and hits a truck head on. > > http://www.sentinel-standard.com/news/police_and_fire/x920800164/Cyclist-hit-head-on-by-truck

It's quite clear from my "Whose Fault?" thread that the likes of Doug and Phil Knee think that *all* motorist/cyclist collisions are automatically the fault of the motorist, since the motorist is in a "metal weapon". It literally doesn't matter what the circumstances are, it's always the driver's fault. It's pretty much indistinguishable from "No-one should be driving at all" (which Doug is explicit about, but Phil Knee denies thinking).

Simon Mason, to his credit, did not blame the motorist in that thread, so clearly he does consider each set of circumstances, even if he is still maybe somewhat biased against the motorist in some cases.