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On 15/07/2011 01:23, Clive George wrote: > On 14/07/2011 23:35, Zapp Brannigan wrote: >> Marie wrote: >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmtnzoQjpks&feature=related >> >> Astonishingly reckless to do that at a busy urban junction. > > Is it a busy urban junction? Most of the people looked to be safe - the > closest one to a problem was the guy with the camera, who went when the > lights changed to green. Other people were just pootling along, no > excessive risk taking. > > The thing is as many people have found out, both in cars and on bikes, > is it's very easy to run a red light safely. Bikes have the advantage > that they can see better, hear better, and fit into smaller gaps, which > helps this sort of thing. > > I'd keep "astonishingly reckless" for something which actually is, eg > some of the riding I've seen in videos of messenger racing. > > (waits for people replying to this message to completely miss the point > of what I've said, and to accuse me of saying things I've not said).

I can't believe you think it's completely fine for everyone to jump red lights. How irresponsible are you?