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On 30 Oct 2008 16:00:49 GMT, Ian Smith  wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:54:36 +0000, Guy Cuthbertson  wrote: > >> Take it or leave it. If and when posters here demonstrate that the >> group is only being used as a neutral discussion group for UK >>  recreational cyclists, and is not being misused > >So what you are saying is that you, and you alone, are the arbiter of >what is appropriate in any newsgroup. Lies, slander, obscenity - all >of that is fine (when you post it) but you would rather destroy a >useful social gathering than let anyone post anything that contradicts >your world-view.

Are you saying that you *don't* think this group should be a neutral discussion group for UK cyclists? Are you happy with it being a platform for extremists? Put it this way: if you believed me when I said that Chapman and co were lying motorist-haters who pretended to be interested in safety in order to make things difficult for motorists, and couldn't care less about the deaths caused by bad road safety policy, would you be happy that this group was being used by them to support their campaign? Would you not rather that they disappeared, so that you could have your "useful social gathering" without attracting the "trolls" (who actually only have a problem with the motorist-haters)?

Why do *you* think the "trolls" come here? Do you think they would bother if this really was simply a social gathering for cyclists who didn't have an axe to grind against motorists? Can you honestly say, hand on heart, that you don't think Chapman or any of the others have any sort of hidden anti-motorist agenda? I bet you can't.

No-one's trying to destroy any useful social gathering. In fact, they're trying to make it better, by removing the bastards who are just using you and the cycling cause to further their spiteful campaign against people who are simply trying to get from A to B in the most practical way for them. I have no problem with you; I don't always agree with you by any means, but I know you're a good person who isn't lying about what he wants. But some of the other people currently in this group are certainly not good people, and they shouldn't be here, because they're not here to talk about cycling, they're here to further their campaign to give motorists a hard time. And I'm damned if I'm going to stand by and let them.

They have no more of a legitimate reason to be here than me, and I can't believe that if you knew what they were really up to, you would want them here any more than I do. I'm guessing (and hoping) that the only reason that you put up with them is because you don't believe that they're as bad as I make out, despite the evidence being everywhere...why do you think Chapman keeps changing his website to cover up lies? Why do you think he took out the bit about being anti-motorist? Why is he constantly evading difficult questions (even when he was replying to my posts, he still deliberately skipped the bits that he couldn't answer, again and again)? His actions are quite obviously those of someone who has something to hide. If he was the all-round philanthropic cyclist and road safety campaigner that he pretended to be, there's no way that he'd be so scathingly obnoxious towards his opponents, and there's no way that he'd be so utterly and widely despised all over the Internet. (Have you tried Googling him, or looking on Encyclopedia Dramatica?)

You and I can both win. Those who contribute nothing to the social side of this group, and are only here to further their extremist campaigns, should be forcibly ejected. Then the "trolls" will go, and then you'll still have your useful social gathering just as much as before, but without the undesirables, or the "trolls" which they attract (and will continue to attract as long as they stay around).

>Your inability to operate in any social context becomes more apparent >with every post you make.

If you say so. Don't let the small matter of you being completely wrong, and knowing nothing about me, stop you. I could make out that you're a fat, gormless, interfering, arrogant, pompous old git based on what you post, but that would be about as pointless as your silly jibes about me, and quite possibly just as incorrect.

It's pretty sad really: if you believe the URC regulars, then I'm female, I've been banned from driving, I'm on the dole (or 14 years old, or a university fresher, depending on the "source"), I have no social skills, I'm a criminal, and I hate Chapman more than you could possibly imagine. None of those things are true, except the last one of course, although it's an understatement.