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On Feb 27, 1:17 pm, "Simon Mason"  wrote: > cars speeding through red lights at 50 mph.

Yes, the fact that they were "speeding" made all the difference, didn't it?

Not a nice experience for you I'm sure, and of course it shouldn't have happened, but why introduce irrelevant nonsense demonising exceeding of the speed limit when that was not the problem here? Besides, perhaps if the authorities stopped going on about stuff which doesn't really matter in itself, like speeding, and started emphasising real safety, like looking out for crossings, drivers wouldn't keep concentrating on the wrong safety factors at the expense of the correct ones. (And no, that doesn't excuse what the drivers did here, but why make such things any more likely than they have to be?)

You *have* to prioritise what is genuinely dangerous when it comes to safety messages in order to make them truly effective. It's not as easy as just saying "Everything's dangerous", or "Every infringement of the law is dangerous"; that doesn't work. Acknowledging when something is safe is as important as identifying when something isn't. Pretending that behaviours such as speeding are more dangerous than they are doesn't make people drive more safely, it does the opposite. And it just encourages and supports the car-hating "I know cameras kill people but I don't care because they make life much harder for motorists" wanker-trolls (and I don't think you're one of them, nor do I think you really want to assist such utter fuckwits in any way).

Was there a speed camera on that road, just out of interest? Do you think the lorry driver may have been looking at his speedo? Presumably he was distracted by *something*, as I doubt he saw you at the crossing and decided to proceed anyway.

-- SPINDRIFT IS BLATANTLY ANTI-MOTORIST, AND ALWAYS BLAMES THE MOTORIST WHENEVER THERE'S AN INCIDENT. HE DOESN'T EVEN DRIVE.

Every speed camera is two fingers towards each and every motorist who passes it (even those mythical ones who "never speed"). No wonder there's so much resentment towards the authorities when they are so continually offensive and unreasonable towards those who are simply going about their business. Why this war on the motorist? Why constantly say "Fuck you, we're going to keep trying to make your life as difficult as possible" to those who are simply travelling? No- one's ever had the guts to explain just what motorists have actually done to deserve all this, and none of the lying motorist-haters ever will.