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On May 18, 11:57=A0am, Keith T  wrote: > > I'm not suggesting that Guy is doing this but how come no-one has > vehemently attacked him on this point?

Because that is how things work on URC. If you're Chapman, or anti- motorist and/or militantly pro-cyclist like Chapman, you can do whatever you want: lie, deceive, nym-shift, start OT threads, call your opponents "trolls" just for disagreeing, etc. Otherwise, you're not allowed to do anything, even post. It follows that when Chapman does something which his opponents have been vehemently attacked for, no-one dares say *anything* against him...except his opponents of course.

It may sound ridiculous, and indeed it is, but I promise you that that is indeed *exactly* how the URC "clique" treat people: the archive of threads shows it unequivocally. There are very few, if any, exceptions: the most polite and reasonable non-car-haters get treated with constant disdain, while the most odious and despicable car-haters are never challenged about anything by any clique members. Of all the Internet forums/newsgroups that I've ever seen, this one is where those with the "wrong" points of view get treated the worst *by far*. (The fact that the "wrong" points of view are pretty much always actually the right ones just makes it even worse.)

The compulsion to agree with Chapman no matter what he does is a particularly worrying brand of sycophancy, the likes of which has previously led to events such as the Holocaust. Looking back at all of the unbelievably offensive stuff and the lies that Chapman has posted, not to mention his advocacy of measures which he knows to be killing thousands (he admitted it), it can only be through a suspension of any kind of reason that anyone still gives him the time of day, let alone *supports* him.

That so many people, not all of whom are thick or even obnoxious, can be so completely blind to Chapman's failings is a mystery: he's certainly done well to dupe them, but just how he's done so is anyone's guess. I just wish they'd see the light, and though it's not looking too likely ATM, hope springs eternal. After all, the vast majority of Internet users who have been on the receiving end of his "unique" style despise him utterly, and that at least is exactly how it should be.