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On 02/08/2011 19:36, Roger Merriman wrote: > > 60ish posts per week compared to the 1000 for UK.REC.CYCYLING, which is > rather quiet, other healther groups have maybe 500ish

They had their chance to improve things. Years of complaints and suggestions in UNNM were summarily and arrogantly ignored, even when they were from long-standing cyclist "regulars", so now people have broadly given up and gone elsewhere.

Yet the "moderators" don't seem bothered: it seems that not only did they want a private club all along (as we well know), but they're not bothered if it doesn't have many members...I guess that makes it more exclusive, and the fewer people there are, the less chance there is of someone daring to speak an Inconvenient Truth or an Unacceptable Opinion.

The fact remains that they aren't allowed to run a private club on uk.*, and they are still under constant threat of someone putting together an RFD/CSV to sort things out.

But the way that URCM has been run from the beginning simply proves right what many have said all along: many of the psycholists just cannot tolerate differing opinions being expressed, and will do pretty much anything they need to to not only to ignore them themselves, but to stop them from being aired at all in any group that they read.

If they really thought the opinions concerned were such "bollocks" then they would challenge them and presumably win, but instead they desperately try to suppress them; clearly, they know (or at least suspect) that the opinions are actually correct, and they don't have the necessary decency or good grace to accept that they're wrong and concede defeat, so they shoot the messengers instead, put their fingers in their ears and proudly carry on thinking things that may be wrong, but at least they're more comforting than the truth.