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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!porbandar.httrack.net!news.httrack.net!exabot.com!feeder1-2.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder2-2.proxad.net!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!prichard.zen.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4e1aa14e$0$2492$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Another attack on a cyclist. Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 08:07:58 +0100 References: <3dc014cb-a8cd-457d-9142-4dfbe0edd4c4@d1g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> <3uae171jj1gi6e4k1kr93281majh2p23oh@4ax.com> <63e366a6-a033-42cb-a4f8-947f00dd487c@q1g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>    <60d6ab2c-502c-40b7-98be-2d5616f79518@bl1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> Lines: 80 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <60d6ab2c-502c-40b7-98be-2d5616f79518@bl1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Zen Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: ba1c8f68.news.zen.co.uk X-Trace: DXC=ZdWWbm On Jul 10, 11:34 am, "Mentalguy2k8"  wrote: >> "Simon Mason"  wrote in message >> >> news:e6cea2b3-d1fe-4186-baa9-daf2cd84305d@t9g2000vbv.googlegroups.com... >> On Jul 10, 11:11 am, "Mentalguy2k8"  wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> "Simon Mason"  wrote in message >> >>> news:63e366a6-a033-42cb-a4f8-947f00dd487c@q1g2000vbj.googlegroups.com... >>> On Jul 8, 5:11 pm, Peter Parry  wrote: >> >>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2011 07:49:30 -0700 (PDT), Simon Mason >> >>>>  wrote: >>>>> More thuggery - but the video is clear enough to bring the assailant >>>>> to justice. >> >>>> It would be interesting to see the missing bit from before the >>>> beginning of that sequence and discover what exactly caused this >>>> incident to happen. >>>> The cyclist involved has spoken of the incident. >>>> QUOTE: >>>> "OK guys - the cyclist who was hit did not say anything to the >>>> assailants and did not make any hand signal gestures to them either. >>>> The car had cut up another rider and had stopped to give a lot of >>>> extraordinary verbal abuse. Then they were driving off again, having >>>> threatened to run me over, and clipped me with a wing mirror. They >>>> stopped and you saw the result." >>>> ENDS. >> >>> What a shame they all *saw* what happened but only managed to film the >>> last >>> 2% of it.- Hide quoted text - >> >>> - Show quoted text - >>> Not a shame at all. >>> They got the important bit. >>> The shouty driver and door mirror clip before that is normal >>> behaviour. >> >> "Normal" in that nobody but the cyclists "saw" it happen.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > So there was no previous and the driver attacked him totally > unprovoked? > It's worse than I thought. > > -- > Simon Mason

Simon, be honest now, do you think there is any chance that the cyclists filmed the bit before but got rid of the footage because it made them look bad in some way? Do you think it is likely that other cyclists ever "chop off" footage in order to make their opponents look worse, show things out of context, etc? Do you think this is a good or honest thing?

I think it would help genuinely aggrieved cyclists who were minding their own business, while making life more difficult for Ian Jacksons who go round provoking drivers because they think they shouldn't be there at all, if police refused to consider "helmet cam" footage unless there was at least a minute of footage both before and after the "incident". As for "incidents" which conveniently happen right at the start of a journey, well, no problem, just get into the habit of filming for a minute before you set off.

We know for a fact that there are loony cyclists who have a vicious anti-car agenda and who therefore take direct action against drivers every time they go anywhere. Such offensive people no doubt see helmet cams as a great weapon and a "valuable" way of getting innocent motorists into trouble. This needs to be tackled, both for the sake of the motorists concerned, and for the sake of cyclists who were genuinely minding their own business and riding properly and who really are victims of aggressive, dangerous driving.