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On Feb 5, 10:45 am, spindrift  wrote: > In my direct, personal experience, shared with the cycling groups > linked to above, PTW's in bus lanes make it more dangerous.

In other words, you see what you want to see. You want to find motorcycles in bus lanes unpleasant, so you do. You want motorcyclists to be banned from bus lanes, because you're prejudiced against them, so you convince yourself that they make things more dangerous, despite the statistical evidence to the contrary. Just like you convince yourself that anti-motorist speed cameras make things safer, despite the extensive statistical evidence and lists of side effects showing unequivocally that they make things more dangerous, even for cyclists. You simply won't hear anything against cameras, motorcycle bans, or other anti-motorist/anti-motorcyclist measures. You like them and that's that.

It is more than obvious from your post history on here and elsewhere that you have an extreme anti-motorist and anti-motorcyclist agenda, and that you prioritise that above the safety of cyclists. That's all motorists (other than yourself, if you drive, which I doubt) and all motorcyclists. It is an indication of your cowardice that you won't admit it.

You don't seriously expect us to believe that you just happen, coincidentally, to support seemingly every anti-motorist and anti- motorcyclist measure, do you? Why don't you stop pretending that safety is the reason for your support of such measures, and tell the truth about your crusade against any form of private powered transport? If you're so determinedly hateful of such modes of transport, and you think it's so important that you spend so much effort on it hopping from Internet cafe to Internet cafe, what is the problem with being honest about it? Is it because you know you wouldn't be able to defend such a stance? Why would you assume a stance which you knew you couldn't defend?

You and your militant ilk are hugely damaging the road safety debate, as this latest bus lane example shows, and are hugely damaging road users as well. You've got an awful lot to answer for. Hijacking something as important as safety for your own twisted anti-motorist agenda is about as low as it gets. Where does it end? Will you not rest until cycling is the only form of private transport? Do you really think that's ever going to be reality? What is wrong with all road users coexisting peacefully? Why do you seek to prescribe other people's modes of transport, even when their choice doesn't really affect you like you claim? Why not just mind your own business and campaign for positive improvements for cyclists (if you really are one)? It's a free country, at least notionally, and you should either accept that or piss off and leave everyone alone.

Oh, so you deny being anti-motorist (yawn). In that case you won't have any trouble with the following. Can you name any anti-motorist or anti-motorcyclist measures (which are not also intended to be anti- cyclist) which you oppose? How many? What are they, and why do you oppose them? There's no point in lying because your previous posts will expose such falsehoods. I'll be interested to read the answer to this, and if you "don't see" it, I'll keep repeating it until you do.

I think it's pathetic that the most vocally and notoriously anti- motorist/anti-motorcyclist poster on the whole Internet denies being anything of the sort. Really pathetic. It's like people who are homophobic denying that and giving hollow, worthless excuses (e.g "the bible") for their prejudice against and exclusion of gay people. Spineless, gutless and utterly contemptible. If you have a strong opinion on a subject, then that's fine, good even, but if you don't have the guts to express it honestly, and instead misrepresent your opinion, lie, and employ underhand tactics, then you have no right to take part in discussion on the subject at all.