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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!news3.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!cyclone02.ams2.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!npeersf02.ams.highwinds-media.com!newsfe21.ams2.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: _  Newsgroups: uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Cyclists going through red traffic lights Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:04:11 +0000 References: <72h0pkFpshmdU1@mid.individual.net> <81da1a72-951c-4473-99db-d16f48840e19@s20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> 	 <568f6f67-f856-4720-ad59-c45abbc27ad1@t3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> 	<6038507a-dc96-4a70-bdc1-8049dedbffc1@o11g2000yql.googlegroups.com>  Lines: 50 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To:  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.12.82.202 X-Complaints-To: http://netreport.virginmedia.com X-Trace: newsfe21.ams2 1237633482 86.12.82.202 (Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:04:42 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:04:42 UTC Organization: virginmedia.com Bytes: 3956 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:690414

Doug wrote: > On 20 Mar, 10:35, francis  wrote: >> On 20 Mar, 08:55, Doug  wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 20 Mar, 08:39, Tony Dragon  wrote: >>>> Doug wrote: >>>>> On 20 Mar, 08:00, "Iain"  wrote: >>>>>> I have just walked back from the shops. >>>>>> As I was going, I came to the traffic lights just by Willesden bus garage. >>>>>> Two sets were red. From each of these sets, a cyclist went straight through >>>>>> them. >>>>>> As I was returning, past the same set of lights, I saw I cyclist waiting for >>>>>> the lights to turn green. I felt like giving him one of my oranges! >>>>>> Can the cycling community not do something to dissuade these people from >>>>>> jumping the lights? It certainly causes frustration from drivers who have >>>>>> to so frequently watch this deliberate flaunting of the law, and continues >>>>>> to give cyclists such a poor name - certainly within London. >>>>> In London cars can frequently be observed going through red lights too >>>>> and they are much more dangerous than cycles. So, your point? >>>>> -- >>>>> UK Radical Campaigns >>>>> www.zing.icom43.net >>>>> A driving licence is a licence to kill. >>>> His point you idiot, is that he saw cyclists breaking the law, he made >>>> no point about cars so why bring them into the thread? >>>> Perhaps you would give us your views about the point he made (without >>>> references to cars/motorists) >>> The point he seemed to make was that it gives cyclists a poor name. So >>> it follows that drivers going through red lights will also give >>> drivers a bad name. However, since drivers are much more dangerous and >>> numerous than cyclists they will attract even more of a bad name. >>> The other point he seemed to make was that it causes frustration FROM >>> drivers, implying that the drivers might react, presumably by the >>> common practice of ramming or otherwise intimidating cyclists at slow >>> speeds. >>> -- >>> UK Radical Campaignswww.zing.icom43.net >>> A driving licence is a licence to kill.- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text - >> I see you could not resist bringing cars into this thread, even though >> Tony asked you not to. >> > Strange as it may seem, I do not always do as I am told, particularly > on newsgroups which are dominated by small, special interest cliques, > such as motorists. > Tell us all about your own motoring past, Duhg? No, thought not... What an odious pile of shite you are.