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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!l5g2000vbc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <22a458f9-c1e5-42a7-a618-6a80979545ea@l5g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: USA helmet laws. Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:14:36 -0700 (PDT) References: <15CdncAR9YP1LGPUnZ2dnUVZ8gGdnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk>  Lines: 35 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.163.208.50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1241478876 22868 127.0.0.1 (4 May 2009 23:14:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 23:14:36 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: l5g2000vbc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=86.163.208.50; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042316 Firefox/3.0.10 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 2855 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:699507

On May 4, 12:07=A0pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?"  wrote: > On Mon, 4 May 2009 10:11:55 +0100, "Simon Mason" > >  wrote: > >Interesting story about USA motorcyclists' fight to ride without helmets > >which means that in the majority of states, they can ride a 100 mph+ mac= hine > >with no crash hat. > > One of the more amusing cases of fact-blindness, in fact. =A0When a few > states repealed their helmet laws there was a story in Time which > decried the massive increase in motorcyclist fatalities inna > "why-oh-why" stylee. =A0It later emerged that the states with the > increased fatalities were those which had retained the laws, while the > states which had repealed them had actually seen reductions in > fatalities per mile travelled.

Careful, you're going against your own Moderator Rule: *never* defend motorists or motorcyclists. You won't achieve that socialist utopia at this rate.

> And of course the helmeteers went on to say that yes, well, that's all > very interesting, but they were right anyway because of Common Sense, > which as we know trumps evidence every time.

You mean like the "Common Sense" which says that speed cameras work, despite the steady year-on-year increase in the fatality gap which started exactly when they came in?

(Oh sorry, no, that's not common sense, it's just simple-minded "slower must be safer" in the case of some people, and car-hating deceit in the case of others, like you. There are a few people who are neither thick nor dishonest who believe that cameras work, but only a few.)