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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!q35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4aa1986f-5e0e-43b2-93c0-b24f767001bd@q35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.transport,uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling,uk.transport.buses Subject: Re: Censorship in uk.rec.cycling.moderated Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 07:33:59 -0700 (PDT) References:    <8ia955562a0r7i8t51l6lp59k7co025ld2@4ax.com>   <9eob551usn4veu8gic3pdq45eo9f0oeab6@4ax.com> <40775f73-b68b-471e-94aa-98c2685d0c4a@h2g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>   <8gce55pf10682rpggrt9shd6hf5c5qejoo@4ax.com> <9lM5m.7715$mZ1.451@newsfe28.ams2> <7dedcc90-735e-4c64-9940-a42e62d944da@b14g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> <3Tg6m.36852$Xb3.20094@newsfe17.ams2> Lines: 29 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.163.209.43 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1247409240 14257 127.0.0.1 (12 Jul 2009 14:34:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: q35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com; posting-host=86.163.209.43; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.11) Gecko/2009060215 Firefox/3.0.11 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 3361 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:716674

On Jul 12, 9:09=A0am, "Ian"  wrote: > "Nuxx Bar"  wrote in message > > news:7dedcc90-735e-4c64-9940-a42e62d944da@b14g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > [..] > >> And bus drivers don't have to stick to bus lanes. > > > It would be nice if they used them when possible though, so they're > > not holding up a whole line of traffic which has no alternative but to > > use the "normal" roadspace. > > Agreed.... until the time comes to overtake a cyclist (legitimately) usin= g > the bus lane.....

Yes, although of course all bus lanes which allow cyclists are supposed to be wide enough (4m) for buses to overtake cyclists London are illegal, either in this way or some other way (e.g. the taper at the start of the lane is supposed to be 1 in 10, i.e. 40m for 4m wide lanes...how often is that the case?)
 * without* encroaching on the next lane. Virtually *all* bus lanes in

This would prove useful to anyone who received a PCN for momentarily going into an empty bus lane (the councils try to use technicalities in order to take drivers' money, so why shouldn't drivers use technicalities in order to not pay?) Lots of useful info about this is at http://www.buslanes.com (one of those sites which the car-haters absolutely deplore, and would do anything to censor out of existence...what a pity it doesn't have a forum for them to troll on!)