Nuxx:63f85653-8c24-4174-9fb6-c398d323cc0c@e12g2000vbe.googlegroups.com

Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!feeder.news-service.com!postnews.google.com!e12g2000vbe.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <63f85653-8c24-4174-9fb6-c398d323cc0c@e12g2000vbe.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: "Murderer": FULLY JUSTIFIED Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:56:32 -0700 (PDT) References:  Lines: 42 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.156.251.147 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1238694992 8563 127.0.0.1 (2 Apr 2009 17:56:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: e12g2000vbe.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.156.251.147; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.8) Gecko/2009032609 Firefox/3.0.8 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 3467 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:692747

On Mar 31, 9:51=A0pm, Nuxx Bar  wrote: > Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that there existed someone > who: > > - campaigned for anti-motorist measures. > - knew that those anti-motorist measures were killing thousands of > road users a year. > - still campaigned for the anti-motorist measures anyway, despite > that, because he considered the thousands of lives a "price worth > paying" for the "benefit" of bullying millions of motorists off the > roads. > - had such extensive influence over government transport policy that > his campaigning had led directly to the implementation and maintenance > of the anti-motorist measures. > > Would one not be justified in calling that person a "murderer", or at > least a "murderer by proxy", given that the person concerned has been > directly, deliberately and knowingly responsible for far more deaths > than any "conventional" murderer in the recorded history of mankind?

Since no-one has even attempted to argue otherwise, instead content to throw the usual vague slurs so beloved of the irrational anti-motorist lobby, I can only surmise that everyone thinks the answer is "yes". IF the above criteria apply to Chapman, he is morally equivalent to a murderer. No-one disputes it, because only a madman would. And since no-one has denied that those criteria are true either, it seems that the case is closed, no matter how uncomfortable it clearly makes some (including the Crapster himself) to have that fact advertised.

Round here, generalised slurs mean "I know you're right but I don't like, it so I'm going to throw my toys out of my pram, since I know I can't logically argue with what you've actually put", and this thread is no exception.

There is plenty of evidence that Chapman is anti-motorist, and plenty of evidence that he supports anti-motorist measures like speed cameras despite knowing that they kill people. Therefore, given that and the above, until someone comes along with some concrete evidence to the contrary, the facts speak for themselves: Chapman is a murderer. Trolling wankers (Chapman, Paul - xxx, Peter "Pretentious Fuckwit" Clinch, etc) and the misguided (Simon Mason) simply stating otherwise doesn't change that.