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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!z7g2000vbh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: York council says cycles" higher up the hierarchy". Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 02:45:08 -0700 (PDT) References:   <47e9e51d-7bac-4c04-9573-6841a39439cb@k41g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>  <8389f3da-3252-4c9a-840f-00bce52f4f6f@y7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>      Lines: 43 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.154.123.12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1241343908 2661 127.0.0.1 (3 May 2009 09:45:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 09:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z7g2000vbh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=86.154.123.12; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042316 Firefox/3.0.10 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 3249 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:698915

On Apr 14, 8:01=A0pm, Judith Smith  wrote: > On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:06:33 +0100, JNugent > > > >  wrote: > >Just zis Guy, you know? wrote: > > >> JNugent  wrote: > > >>> Please be so good as to take that back, at least in part. > > >> You ride a bike now? =A0What sort? > > >I have not yet bought my replacement bike (I want a traditional "upright= " > >model like most cyclists in the Netherlands have). > > >But that is not what I was asking you to take back (as I suspect you kne= w). > > >You made your comments in the context of some alleged "vile personal abu= se" > >of yourself. I have had no part in vile personal abuse of anyone. I have= even > >defended Doug from time to time, here and elsewhere. > > >And anyway, one does not need to be a cyclist to post in ukrc, > > No - but you have to toe the party line - or you will soon be > identified as "a troll."

Yep. The worst thing that you can possibly do is defend motorists in any way, shape or form, followed by advocating helmets to any degree, and then making out that cycling is remotely dangerous. Basically, you've got to pretend that:

- cyclists are infinitely better than other road users; - cyclists shouldn't have any restrictions or laws applied to them because of the above; - none of the negative or dangerous aspects of cycling should ever be spoken of, because that might put people off cycling (and that would be unacceptable, even if it were for perfectly sensible reasons).