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I've just been reading some of the old urc posts, where Paul Smith was offending the trolls with the truth. Observations:

- Since then, it seems that all of the trolls have realised the truth about cameras. While many have gone off in a sulk (rather than admitting it and apologising), only Chapman and Spindrift are sad enough to have remained. They must *really* hate motorists to be still telling such ridiculous lies about cameras, so long after it became common knowledge (among those who know anything about road safety) that they're killing people.

- Chapman is even more of a vile motorist-hating twat than I had thought. It seems that he has toned his posts down a bit in a lame attempt to disguise the motorist-hating, so he's stopped saying things like "mobile death greenhouses" and "killer cars". But it's too late for that, and his recent de facto admission that he is actually a motorist-hater removes any lingering doubt. Motorist-hater: check. Liar: check. Vile, hate-filled twat: check. Pretentious, pompous idiot: check. Complete bastard who campaigns for people to die on the roads: check. I'm not usually in favour of the death penalty, but for extreme cases like Crapman, I'm happy to make an exception. I'd be very happy to do the deed myself, for the sake of humanity. He's an utter, utter bastard. I cannot put into words just how much I detest him. Anyone who supports him is either similarly detestable or unaware of the full story about him.

- Then, just as now, the trolls never posted anything of substance in favour of cameras. Hardly surprising, I suppose, since it's impossible by definition. It's always "Paul Smith once said so-and-so in a usenet post" and "There was this page on the Safe Speed site years ago which contained stuff from the BBC site, but I'm going to complain about Safe Speed rather than the BBC" and "He had long hair and a beard" and other things which Spindrift stores up, none of which are important when it comes to whether cameras save lives, and don't the trolls know it. Every single time the trolls mention one of the tired, irrelevant, fucking STUPID criticisms of Safe Speed *yet again*, it demonstrates that they can't come up with anything even remotely important. You can just imagine their growing frustration:

"RTTM allegations, let's criticise them...oh no, we cant. Under 2% of accidents are caused by normal drivers speeding, let's have a go at that...oh shit, that's true as well.  Deaths stopped falling as they had been for decades in 1992, and there's no other reasonable explanation except cameras...damn those facts!  Don't they know how important it is to bully motorists off the roads?  Oh I know, what about all those side effects of cameras that Paul Smith listed, at least *some* of them must be bollocks...what's that, none of them are?  Is there anything important that Paul Smith has said about cameras that's not true?  No?  Oh my god!

"Looks like we've been wrong about cameras saving lives all this time. But we can't admit it, because cameras are so good at persecuting motorists.  Oh dear, what to do...I know, let's assemble as much irrelevant, peripheral, misleading criticism of Safe Speed as we possibly can, and spout it as often as we can, and hopefully that will disguise the fact that we can't actually counter the real stuff that Safe Speed's saying.  Come on trolls, it's the persecution of motorists on the line here!  Let's find anything that we possibly can.  Stupid?  No matter.  Insignificant?  Chuck it in anyway.  A complete lie?  Well, we tell enough lies anyway.  Come on guys, anything and everything.  Just think, if we can find enough irrelevant bullshit to spout, we can just keep spouting it over and over again, no matter what our opponents say!  We can never lose any argument! There's nothing anyone can ever say against cameras, no matter how damning and true and relevant it is, that will stop us, because all we have to do is say something like 'Paul Smith hates disabled people' and that will win us the argument! How to be a lying troll who is totally wrong about something, and still come out on top in any argument about it: just ignore the real issues and instead spout constant irrelevant bollocks about the person that you're arguing with!"

And it's the same approach to this day. It would be laughable in the extreme, if lives weren't being lost EVERY SINGLE DAY. EVERY SINGLE DAY. EVERY SINGLE DAY! Oh well, the best thing is to leave the trolls to spout their irrelevant, "argument-winning" bollocks on usenet, and continue to set about spreading the truth about cameras elsewhere. 30 years from now, when cameras are looked back upon as an embarrassment to the human race, Crapman will still be sitting there saying "But cameras worked! After all, Paul Smith hated disabled people!" He'll never quite get over the fact that his motorist-hating campaign didn't succeed, and he'll be sent completely crackers, instead of merely being the semi-crackers, spiteful, horrible, loathesome, closet anti-capitalist bastard that he currently is. The only way for him to prevent this is to admit the truth about cameras right now and issue an apology to each of the road users who have been killed by cameras. That's all there is to it.