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On 04/08/2011 12:52, Zapp Brannigan wrote: > Simon Mason wrote: >> As abo said - you can beat a cyclist to a pulp and get half that sentence. >> >> http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/local/east-hampshire/portsmouth_man_jailed_after_selling_80_000_of_stolen_goods_on_ebay_1_2927812 > > It's always been like that - offences against property are treated more > seriously than offences against people, for reasons which would require a > Marxist rant to explain. Hung for stealing aloaf of bread, oppressed > masses, etc.

Interesting theory but I'm not convinced...do you have any evidence? It's quite difficult to compare the severity of property offences against that of offences against the the person. What is certain is that the gravest offences (murder etc) are against the person.

Although you may have a point...maybe that's part of the reason why white collar fraud in the workplace seems to attract much softer penalties than, say, burglary, when you consider the value of what is stolen.

I certainly think that some of the sentences handed down for random violence against strangers are derisory, but I think that has more to do with the pathetic state of "justice" in this country than anything else. Still, never mind, as long as drivers are getting hugely disproportionate fines for "speeding" and stopping for 10 seconds on double yellow lines, we can all sleep at night. Just the other day I became the victim of a driver who parked overhanging a residents'-only bay by 10cm on a half-empty road for 5 minutes...it's not right. Monsters like that traumatise people and it's right that they're dealt with harshly.