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On Aug 5, 1:53=A0pm, Toom Tabard  wrote: > On 5 Aug, 13:35, Daniel Barlow  wrote: > > > > > "Just zis Guy, you know?"  writes: > > > > On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 04:46:13 -0700 (PDT), Toom Tabard > > >  said in > > > <2b744ed4-5c76-4924-b230-f307ecd75...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>: > > > >>Well, as a driver and cyclist, I'd say there is a particular problem > > >>with young cyclists. As a driver I've had three near-accidents with > > >>cyclists. > > > > Not as much as with young drivers, though. > > > Young pedestrians can be quite unpredictable too. > > > > Which rather suggests that the problem might lie in the "young" > > > rather than the mode of transport... > > > There does seem to be a pattern emerging. > > I can't say I've noticed that. As a defensive driver I'm aware of the > problems of young drivers, and carelesss and incompetent drivers in > general. Same with seeing kids near the road. I can't say the problems > with them were so immediate, close, and unpredictable as =A0the examples > I mentioned with young cyclists, where even driving defensively nearly > wasn't enough. I'd say the factor was that not only are they young but > they are unprotected whilst mixing directly with moving traffic.

First rule of the Spindrift/Chapman element of urc: motorists are worse than cyclists, always, in every respect. If you keep saying otherwise then you'll quickly become known as a "troll". Look at the likes of JNugent and Matt B: they've never been abusive, abrasive or bullish (unlike me, and I freely admit it), but purely because of the opinions that they hold, Chapman and co have dismissed them as trolls and said the most unpleasant things about them.

If you openly argue with the anti-motorist scriptures, or ever express opinions about motoring or motorists that are different to Chapman's, you'll be treated in the most unbelievable way. Scary but true.