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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!multikabel.net!newsfeed20.multikabel.net!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!reader02.news.zen.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4e1b7e61$0$2934$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Fines/points for littering drivers? Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 23:51:12 +0100 References:  Lines: 28 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To:  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Zen Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 76f94329.news.zen.co.uk X-Trace: DXC=Z;2L^nHPTTH;dNhMZVkA7FYjZGX^207PK` Might make a few think before they lob their lit fag ends at you. > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/blog/2011/jul/11/motorists-litter-cash-fine-points > > -- > Simon Mason

things like that I have to wonder whether you're a car-hater after all. There is no way in hell that someone should be *banned* from driving, with all that that entails, for *littering*, even if more than once.
 * Points*? For *littering*?  For god's sake Simon, when you advocate

Points are only supposed to be given out for safety violations. That is how it should be. Your proposal is absurd, as are calls for lowering speed limits due to "noise", "fuel economy" etc (if speed limits must be lowered for such "reasons" then exceeding them should be non-endorsable).

Banning someone from driving when they're not even putting anyone in any danger smacks of anti-motorist sentiment: people "shouldn't be driving in the first place" so it's a case of banning them for any excuse that one can come up with. This desire to ban drivers for non-dangerous behaviour just makes me even more convinced that many of the speed limit reductions we've seen relatively recently have been motivated by that desire, and are nothing whatsoever to do with safety.

Ridiculous. As are so many proposals concerning drivers these days. When will the madness end?