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On 12/07/2011 11:21, Simon Mason wrote: > On Jul 11, 11:59 pm, Nuxx Bar  wrote: >> On 11/07/2011 19:59, Simon Mason wrote: >> >> >> >>> The more pavement cyclists who are fined - the better for me >> >> Good, we agree there then. >> >>> as they >>> give the rest of us a bad name and gives people such as yourself a >>> stick to beat us with. >> >> "People such as myself"? I think you'll find that I judge each >> situation on its merits, and if I think a cyclist is in the right (or a >> motorist is in the wrong), I'll happily say so. I only wish that the >> car-haters would stop with their "us and them" nonsense and accept that >> all drivers are not homicidal maniacs who are automatically "in the >> wrong" simply for being on 4 wheels (and, despite your rather naive >> protests to the contrary, such people absolutely do exist, I'm >> afraid...I'd love to be able to agree with you that they don't). > > Fine, but I wish to cease being your spokesman for "psycholists", as I > am not one myself.

I didn't mean to say that you were. When I talk about psycholists I never mean you (although you may sometimes agree with them). I have always considered you sadly misguided, rather than malevolent, when it comes to road politics. (If that's any consolation!)

I'm sure that when you cycle, you are as considerate and non-belligerent as you claim.

>> When was the last time that Doug blamed the cyclist when a >> cyclist/motorist altercation was reported on here? And while we're on >> the subject, when was the last time *you* blamed the cyclist...? > > Lots of times. > There was a video of London cyclists recently going up on pavements > and through red lights which I thoroughly disapproved of.

Yes, I know you are happy to condemn cyclists who misbehave on their own (or with other cyclists). But when was the last time that a cyclist/motorist altercation was reported on here, and you blamed the cyclist and not the motorist? Do you perhaps have an innate bias towards blaming the motorist, since they're the one who is in a ton of metal and "shouldn't be driving"?