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On Feb 5, 2:54 pm, spindrift  wrote: > I'm like a homophobe because of my antimotorist stance which you, > errrr, don't actually have any evidence for?

You keep saying that even though people keep supplying evidence. A typical Cycling+ troll's tactic. Demand evidence or answers, then keep demanding them even when they're supplied.

> Quote > > "Let's all share the roads peacefully, happily and considerately. > Tolerance in transport. A new era of understanding and positivity. > An end to trolling cyclists once and for all.  Those who feel an > overwhelming need to be obnoxious and intolerant should take up a new > cause which doesn't involve people dying in their thousands, or > better > still, see their doctors.  It's high time that the lying stopped. > It's high time for proper policies that are not dictated by spiteful, > deranged, hateful extremists. " > > And this new reach-out stance involves claiming someone you've never > met isn't a cyclist, is a militant, has blood on his hands and does a > disservice to cyclists all based on evidenc you are unwilling to share > with us?

It's not a new stance. And just because I make claims about one person, it doesn't say anything about my general opinion of cyclists. I have said more than once that I don't have a problem with the majority of cyclists who are sensible and happy to share the roads. I'm not the only one who thinks you're a militant by a long chalk. The fact is that there are different types of road users and there will be for the forseeable future. Almost all motorists are happy to campaign to improve their lot without interfering with cyclists (as long as the cyclists don't jump red lights, cycle on the pavement or pick fights). Live and let live. Unfortunately, there is a hardcore of militant cyclists who are quite clearly more concerned with spiting motorists than they are improving their own lot. How fucked up is that? Since you claim not to be one of them, presumably you agree that such attitudes are fundamentally unhelpful, even to other cyclists? Isn't it absurd that they're more concerned about persecuting others than helping themselves? And do you accept that such cyclists exist, whether or not you think that there are also drivers like that?

> You seem obsessed, seriously, tell me what it is i wrote that provoked > such and unbalanced attack.

such hypocrisy for a long time. You must have posted thousands of times more than me.
 * I'm* obsessed?! Ha ha!  You're ridiculous.  Honestly, I haven't read

> What, exactly, is your problem nuxx bar?

What's yours? Why won't you admit that you're anti-motorist? Why do you think so many people think you are? Can you not see at all why they might come to such a conclusion? How many times have you slagged off drivers in general? And how many times have you slagged off cyclists in general? How many anti-motorist measures have you supported, and how many anti-cyclist measures? When there's an article about a collision between a motorist and a cyclist, how many times have you defended the motorist, and how many times have you defended the cyclist? And so on and so forth.

Do you see yet just how much cumulative evidence there is that you're anti-motorist? Few of your posts in themselves are anti-motorist, but when you put them together, there's undeniably a very clear anti- motorist pattern. You might as well admit it. Then each time you post you can come straight to the point, that you don't think people should be driving, instead of bleating on about things that you actually see as irrelevant, such as safety. It would save you, and everyone else, a hell of a lot of time. And you would get a lot more respect than you currently do, because then you'd at least be a genuine campaigner, even if you were campaigning for something utterly stupid. You could even start a website, and you'd stop having to hide your identity.

I think you should give it some serious thought.