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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!x6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Evening Standard bum gravy. Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 00:08:41 -0700 (PDT) References: <246b22f1-759e-411f-afdc-5049619d147d@x6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>       Lines: 33 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.163.208.50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1241593721 13601 127.0.0.1 (6 May 2009 07:08:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 07:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: x6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com; posting-host=86.163.208.50; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042316 Firefox/3.0.10 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 2974 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:699645

On May 6, 6:58=A0am, "mileburner"  wrote: > JNugent wrote: > > mileburner wrote: > >> JNugent wrote: > >>>> That's all nice and balanced but there seems to be this growing > >>>> fear amongst motorists that if they don't stand up and fight for > >>>> their rights they will soon be forced out of their cars, on to PT, > >>>> on to the pavements, or heaven forbid, on to CYCLES! > >>> Since that is the avowed intention of the government and many > >>> councils - who are at least open about that particular sociopathy of > >>> theirs - is this growing fear unfounded? > > >> It's a solution to a continually growing problem. Cars take up too > >> much road space, ... > > > ...says? > > Well if they didn't take up too much road space, there would be plenty of > space on the roads for them. Either that or there is too many of them, or > not enough roads. > > Pick your choose...

What about when anti-motorist measures (which at least you admit exist) artificially restrict the available space? Car-haters seem to have the following plan: implement anti-car measures to cause congestion, then use the resulting congestion to justify bullying motorists off the roads. It's a spiteful and dishonest way of going about things, but what else do you expect from car-haters?

What about the bus jams in places like Oxford Street? Does that mean that buses "take up too much road space", and therefore bus drivers and users should be bullied off the roads as well?