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On Aug 2, 10:49=A0am, "Just zis Guy, you know?"  wrote: > regression to the mean, which is in any case > something already well known in road safety research.

So why are the likes of "safety" camera partnerships still regularly quoting figures without allowing for RTTM, and why do you and your fellow camera supporters never condemn them for doing so? If I supported cameras for life-saving reasons like you laughably claim to, I'd be pretty annoyed that SCPs were doing that, as I would be keen to see the real figures myself to ensure that cameras still were actually saving lives. You don't seem so bothered about that though; in fact, I get the distinct impression that you would always support cameras whatever the figures. I can't imagine why.

> In every case > his argument started from the premise that there is nothing wrong > with speeding and worked back, and that was why he was given short > shrift here.

Do you ever say anything that's actually true? He was given short shrift because he dared to expose the truth about cameras, both here and in the media. You wanted cameras' proliferation to continue unopposed, even though you knew they were costing lives, because you knew they were an excellent anti-motorist tool. What could be better than an army of automatic devices which continually select victims from a pool of >99.9% of motorists and fine and/or ban them? There was no way that you were going to pass up that opportunity, even if it meant that a few thousand poxy lives were going to be lost.

In the short to medium term, cameras are the best weapon against cars that the motorist-haters could possibly hope for. No wonder you and your anti-motorist troll-friends so despised Paul for revealing to the public that cameras weren't saving lives. You had your beloved cameras, people had been hoodwinked into thinking that they saved lives, the hard work had been done, and the anti-motorist campaign was going brilliantly - then one person came along and spoiled it all. =46rom a seemingly unassailable position, it was all going wrong for the anti-motorist cameras, and Paul was responsible.

As you well know, THAT is why he was given short shrift here and elsewhere by the motorist-haters, THAT is why the trolls were so unbelievably vicious towards him, and the order in which he presented his arguments wouldn't have made the slightest difference. No way would anyone have been as incredibly bloody-minded towards Paul as the likes of you and Spindrift were, simply because he hadn't said things in the right order or the right way. The huge amount of emotiveness, nastiness and bullying that was unleashed against Paul was the product of the minds of motorist-haters who were massively, unbelievably, incandescently angry at Paul for single-handedly dismantling by far the best weapon against motorists that had ever been made.

Those of you who have been part of the anti-motorist crusade should all be utterly ashamed for being so offensive towards someone who was selflessly working to save the lives of others, just because he happened to get in the way of your stupid, ridiculous campaign which is so unworthy that you won't even admit to conducting it. But none of you are remotely ashamed. Not one of you has since had a pang of conscience; not one of you has apologised to Paul, to motorists, or to the thousands upon thousands of people who have unnecessarily lost their lives as a direct result of the wretched cameras. Indeed, you are as unrepentant as ever: anyone who comes on here and speaks the truth about cameras, however politely and moderately, is *still* abused and immediately dismissed as a "troll".

You're monsters, absolute monsters, and that will never change. There is no reasoning with any of you; the only way to deal with you is to ignore you, silence you, and if that is not possible, kill you for the greater good. You are such a pox on humanity that such extreme measures are sadly necessary. Just as the death penalty is used against mass murderers in the USA, so it should be used against them here, at least in this case. It is time for you all to be wiped out, together with your hateful anti-motorist campaign, once and for all.