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On Jul 26, 9:18=A0pm, "Jeremy Parker"  wrote: > "Jeremy Parker"  wrote in message > > news:g6fs4n$h84$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk... > > > > > "Nuxx Bar"  wrote in message > >news:d4787e31-bad7-4b1b-a013-33ca1c51370f@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com..= . > >> So now that we've established beyond reasonable doubt that > >> Chapman, > >> Spindrift and their followers don't like motorists, I'd really > >> like to > >> know why. =A0I honestly don't understand it. > > > [snip] > > > We noticed. =A0You never will, I imagine. > > > Jeremy Parker > > To elaborate on that, at least one of the two, maybe both of them, > are motorists as well, so you are quite right, there definitely is > something you don't understand.

I've explained countless times how being a motorist does not stop someone from hating (other) motorists. Look at the majority of Labour MPs for a start. It's usually a question of hypocrisy, and wanting the roads to be clear for the "important" people, but there can be other reasons as well.

It's probable that you simply haven't read my posts where I've explained the above in detail. But Crapman has, yet he still pretends not to get it. Yet more evidence if it was needed that when it comes to his anti-motorist agenda, Crapman is as dishonest and disingeuous as the day is long.

You *can* be a motorist-hater if you drive yourself, and if Crapman needs proof of that, he just needs to look in the mirror. If he can stand to do so, of course: I'm thinking of his butt-ugliness, rather than the fact that he might have a conscience regarding the thousands of road users that he's murdered. (Talking of which, Crapman hasn't denied having links with SCPs and the like...I'm not sure why, since lying doesn't usually seem to bother him.)

> Still, understanding that you don't understand is a good first step > towards enlightenment > > I suppose a good next step would be to reflect on what kinds of > doubt, and what kinds of certainty are reasonable, and what > unreasonable

Whatever. If you *really* don't think that Chapman/Spindrift have a problem with motorists after reading so many of their posts, you're likely to be somewhat blinkered to say the least. Or perhaps you have an alternative theory as to why they're both so determined to make out that "speeding" is so much worse than it actually is? There I was thinking that it was because they like cameras, and that they like cameras because cameras fine, and eventually ban, countless normal motorists who are driving perfectly normally and safely. But perhaps they deliberately and hugely overplay the dangers of speeding for some other reason, though I can't imagine it's a noble one.