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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!eweka.nl!hq-usenetpeers.eweka.nl!cyclone01.ams2.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!npeersf02.ams.highwinds-media.com!newsfe18.ams2.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: _  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:01:36 +0000 References:           <6KSdncLMItRxwuHUnZ2dnUVZ8rkLAAAA@bt.com> <8pvon4tn6mbfo5f808gpchahpr781cli25@4ax.com>  Lines: 51 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To:  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.21.204.127 X-Complaints-To: http://netreport.virginmedia.com X-Trace: newsfe18.ams2 1232899365 82.21.204.127 (Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:02:45 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:02:45 UTC Organization: virginmedia.com Bytes: 3638 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:683967

Tony Dragon wrote: > Just zis Guy, you know? wrote: >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:49:47 +0000, Tony Dragon >>  said in >> <6KSdncLMItRxwuHUnZ2dnUVZ8rkLAAAA@bt.com>: >> >>> So you agree with cyclist's breaking the law, glad we have >>> established that. >> >> Nope. > > As I said you agree with cyclist's breaking the law, glad we have > established that. > > I agree with removing the prime incentive for them to do so, >> which also as it turns out is the major source of risk to >> pedestrians (on or off the footway) and cyclists alike. You >> probably didn't notice but I did point out that in many places >> cycling on the footway is now perfectly legal, due to the >> application of Magic White Paint (TM). > > They are now classed a duel use, not footways as yiu well know. > You also know that we are talking about pedestrian footways. >> >> Note that in many places there are no footways, pedestrians are >> forced to use the carriageway. > > So > >> >> It is long past time that people stopped making excuses for motor >> danger. >> >> Guy > > Who has done that

You're (unfortunately) wasting your time, because you're arguing a point with someone who not only doesn't agree with your view but refuses to accept that it even exists. Guy is fervently, passionately, anti *any* legislation on cycling, and uses the Bollenlogic (TM) of saying "its nowhere near as bad as what someone else does". Using that logic its okay for us all to drive everywhere at 150mph, because someone else has already been caught at 172 so we're not as bad as him.

The key difference between Chapman and the motorist groups he so despises is that the motorists are quick to condemn lawbreaking by their peers while Chapman insists that lawbreaking cyclists should be excused because "they're only breaking the law to hide from those dangerous motorists!". What I think is the funny bit is that despite that somewhat blinkered perspective Chapman keeps calling other sociopathic!