Nuxx:9add8a1a-91a9-4af5-bbfd-f0fca85513f8@y1g2000pra.googlegroups.com

Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!y1g2000pra.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <9add8a1a-91a9-4af5-bbfd-f0fca85513f8@y1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.transport,uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Traffic Light Detectors Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:14:49 -0800 (PST) References:  <1jler9vlqlfnt$.lp8yasphafk0$.dlg@40tude.net>   Lines: 25 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.151.152.80 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1233436490 25377 127.0.0.1 (31 Jan 2009 21:14:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: y1g2000pra.googlegroups.com; posting-host=86.151.152.80; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008120122 Firefox/3.0.5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 2590 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:684466

On Jan 31, 8:59=A0pm, Tom Crispin  wrote: > On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:29:41 -0800 (PST), Nuxx Bar > >  wrote: > >The car-hating trolls here think that there shouldn't be traffic- > >actuated lights anyway. =A0They want fixed-time lights (and plenty of > >them) so that motorists get held up unnecessarily when nothing's > >coming the other way, and they like them to be synched so that > >motorists have to stop at every set (just like that not-at-all-anti- > >motorist wanker Livingstone liked to do). =A0As far as the trolls are > >concerned, cyclists need not worry about red lights, as they can just > >treat them as "give way" lines. > > Completely wrong. > > What we want is steel barriers to come down across the road, with gaps > for cyclists to go through in safety, but which prevent cars from > going anywhere with any meaningful speed.

I don't know whether you're being sarcastic or not, but doubtless the car-haters *would* like that. We're already halfway there with rising bollards and permanent barriers which let cyclists through, both of which are (like other anti-motorist measures) unreservedly applauded by those in question.