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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!news1.google.com!npeer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!cyclone03.ams2.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!npeersf01.ams.highwinds-media.com!newsfe16.ams2.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: _  Newsgroups: uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Cyclists going through red traffic lights Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:14:45 +0000 References: <72h0pkFpshmdU1@mid.individual.net> <81da1a72-951c-4473-99db-d16f48840e19@s20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>  <568f6f67-f856-4720-ad59-c45abbc27ad1@t3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>     <4K4xl.143751$q45.132433@newsfe07.ams2> <4lm9s49h4uktk2rak0h6jlbjjlpq2s0nkv@4ax.com> Lines: 53 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4lm9s49h4uktk2rak0h6jlbjjlpq2s0nkv@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.12.82.202 X-Complaints-To: http://netreport.virginmedia.com X-Trace: newsfe16.ams2 1237641316 86.12.82.202 (Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:15:16 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:15:16 UTC Organization: virginmedia.com Bytes: 4685 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:690454

Peter Grange wrote: > On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:04:49 +0000, _  wrote: > >> Peter Grange wrote: >>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:06:45 +0000, _  wrote: >>> >>>> Peter Grange wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:24:46 -0000, "ThePunisher" >>>>>  wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Doug"  wrote in message >>>>>> news:568f6f67-f856-4720-ad59-c45abbc27ad1@t3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>> The other point he seemed to make was that it causes frustration FROM >>>>>>> drivers, implying that the drivers might react, presumably by the >>>>>>> common practice of ramming or otherwise intimidating cyclists at slow >>>>>>> speeds. >>>>>> Why not? I consider cyclists who have ridden through red lights as fair >>>>>> game, they want to risk their lives lets see how far they want to go. >>>>> "The Punisher". That's a stunning sig. Impress the other kids in the >>>>> nursery did it? >>>> Damn, you cant help but laugh, can you? The psycholist nobheads love to >>>> taunt the 'cagers', but flip the tables and they start coming out with >>>> pathetic one-liners like the one above and the other reply! >>> The pathetic one is the one who has to hide behind an infantile name >>> like "ThePunisher", and then makes veiled threats about cyclists being >>> "fair game". I guess if a driver of an 18-wheeler described motorists >>> as "fair game" he'd find that funny too. Takes all types I guess. >>> (Stupid as "ThePunisher" is as a name, at least he can think of one, >>> so he's one up on you). >> Open your eyes to the transgressions of your own, and I'd place a bet >> that you'd notice a steep decline in the "veiled threats" you find so >> offensive. As has been said many times by many different posters here, >> whenever a car drivers offences are mentioned there is universal >> condemnation from ALL parties, but when a cyclist offence is brought up >> only the motorists will criticise it while the URC'ers come out with >> juvenile crap like "well what you do is worse". Every time you criticise >> cagers while ignoring bike offences you perpetuate posts like The >> Punishers, above. He is simply expressing the irritation caused to >> cagers, not just by the RLJ in the first place, but by the blanket >> refusal of the whole cycling fraternity to join him in condemning it. > > See my response to your previous posts. I have never condoned > lawbreaking by cyclists. I probably have criticised posts by people > claiming to be motorists who claim cyclists jump red lights but do > not acknowledge motorists do the same.

Well in fairness I gotta admit that I dont bother keeping a 'tally' of who are the most rabid, other than spin and Chappers. But if you remove the individual and instead substitute the 'group' of URC, the point still stands. If you've ever read UKT and the hysterically funny Duhg 'I'm not Bollen' Bollen, you'd see that EVERY TIME he posts another thread of lawbreaking motorists the whole group condemn the act. Dont you think it'd be a refreshing change to see something similar in URC?