Nuxx:B71d6d20-b61a-4953-bd3a-78c94c535f26@q16g2000yqg.googlegroups.com

Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!q16g2000yqg.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Video of Fatal Accident Caused by Speed Camera Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:22:27 -0700 (PDT) References: <65cfa66b-5b05-48c7-a971-0747657c7763@n19g2000vba.googlegroups.com>  Lines: 35 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.156.150.242 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1245741747 30520 127.0.0.1 (23 Jun 2009 07:22:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:22:27 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: q16g2000yqg.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.156.150.242; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.11) Gecko/2009060215 Firefox/3.0.11 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 3012 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:711250

On Jun 23, 1:53=A0am, "Colin Trunt"  wrote: > "Nuxx Bar"  wrote in message > > news:65cfa66b-5b05-48c7-a971-0747657c7763@n19g2000vba.googlegroups.com... > > >http://www.driversalliance.org.uk/press/view/281 > > > The car-haters can say "It wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been > > speeding" as much as they like, but that's just a pathetic excuse, > > which shows yet again that the car-haters will *always* defend cameras > > no matter what. =A0The speed camera caused the accident, and no amount > > of agenda-driven contortion can escape that fact. > > I don't see how the camera caused it. > They seemed to have lost control before they would > have been aware of the =A0speed camera. > Hard to see a camera from that distance anad how would they > know it was a speed camera. > > They would not have lsted lon drivinig like that anyway, > no driving skills whatsoever.

You can make that argument with the Saudi one, but the Norfolk one is quite another matter, as you can clearly see. This is backed up by the fact that the Norfolk "Safety" Camera Partnership (aided and abetted by the car-hating BBC) desperately tried to stop the public getting hold of that video once they realised what it contained (it was taken down from the BBC website, and only got on Youtube once someone who had taped the news programme in question came forward).

Typical of the authorities' attitude towards road safety these days: they are perfectly happy to withhold information from the public if they think doing so will make their cameras look less bad, no matter what the truth of the matter is. The dishonesty and the disregard for people's lives is astonishing.