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On Jul 28, 5:31=A0am, Doug  wrote: > Critical Mass Londonhttp://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk > "Get out of my way you f*ing cyclist".

When the cyclist is "corking", that seems like a reasonable reaction.

If a pedestrian deliberately got in the way of another pedestrian, and refused to let them past, I doubt you'd object if the impeded pedestrian eventually got rather irate with the impeder, and possibly resorted to trying to force their way past when all attempts to reason with the impeder had failed. I'm sure your reaction would be the same if a cyclist blocked a cyclist. So why is it suddenly different when a cyclist is deliberately blocking a car driver? Surely deliberately getting in someone's way for no reason other than to piss them off is either always a fuckwitted thing to do, whatever you block them with and however they're travelling, or it's never a fuckwitted thing to do? (Hint: it always is.)

Why is a cyclist allowed to do things to a car driver which you would otherwise consider to be unacceptable? Do you approve of that kind of direct action against anyone who *you* personally disagree with? What if everyone started trying to take the same kind of direct action to try to force everyone to do what they personally thought they should be doing? Would that have a good result? If not, presumably you think that only you, and those who you agree with, should be allowed to take direct action. But why should you and those who you agree with get special treatment?

Lots of questions to be answered Doug.