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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <42fc0bec-a7aa-44c9-934a-98c3867622d1@i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Filtering Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 05:03:01 -0800 (PST) References:      Lines: 54 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.156.251.173 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1234098181 9730 127.0.0.1 (8 Feb 2009 13:03:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 13:03:01 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: i38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.156.251.173; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.6) Gecko/2009011913 Firefox/3.0.6 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 3573 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:685306

On Feb 8, 12:14=A0pm, JNugent  wrote: > Adam Lea wrote: > > "AndyC"  wrote in message > >news:gmm4e6$niu$1@news.motzarella.org... > >>  wrote in message > >>news:krbso4le78kbeep655nv9p6asmnkq5fisd@4ax.com... > >>> On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 16:31:06 -0800 (PST), Squashme  > >>> wrote: > > >>>> Should I point out that there is a small discussion of filtering (by > >>>> motorbikes) over in uk.rec.driving? > >>>> No, best not. > >>> I am surprised that you have mentioned the thread - cyclists are goin= g > >>> to get a stuffing in it. > > >>> I must say - well done, and many thanks for the heads up. > >> One of the advantages of motorcycling (and cycling) is that you can fi= lter > >> past stationary or slow moving traffic. It obviously needs care when d= one. > >> If it is done recklessly and you cause an accident then you could be > >> deemed to be at fault. Otherwise, and AFAIK, there is no law prohibiti= ng > >> it. > > >> But, some drivers don't like it. It's kinda like jumping their queue := -) > > > Somewhat surprising drivers don't like it, since if motorcyclists wait = in > > the queue they are taking up space in the queue and making the queue lo= nger > > for those behind them. This could be crucial in determining who gets th= rough > > the lights before they change back to red. > > > Thus filtering is more space efficient, and helps get more traffic thro= ugh > > the junction. > > There is rarely any disadvantage in being overtaken by a motor-cyclist. W= hen > the lights turn green, he disappears over the horizon.

Exactly. These people don't dislike being overtaken because they think it'll lengthen their journey. They're purely motivated by spite: "If I can't/won't go any faster, I don't want anyone else to benefit from doing so either". You see it all the time: even though there aren't many such tossers, it only takes a few of them to ruin things for a lot of people. The bottom line is that if they won't play nicely and share our limited roadspace like grown-ups, they shouldn't be allowed to drive at all.