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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!87.79.20.101.MISMATCH!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!reader02.news.zen.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4e272519$0$2937$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: London sees more low emission cars and welcomes more Super Highways. Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:57:29 +0100 References:  <4e258a6e$0$2496$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  <5gtVp.62106$5v5.23985@newsfe11.iad> <6f403bd7-b52f-4376-82e3-7512667d0c32@h12g2000vbx.googlegroups.com> Lines: 37 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6f403bd7-b52f-4376-82e3-7512667d0c32@h12g2000vbx.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Zen Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 284be6b9.news.zen.co.uk X-Trace: DXC=ZNBOjJIgl5a4fIdMIFYk > We got our cycle lanes because drivers were not using the inside lane > of dual carriageways, they just stick in the overtaking lane lest a > parked car turn up half a mile away, so the inside lane was taken away > from them.

Great, so just because some people drive like utter fuckwits, the rest of us have to be inconvenienced as well? As with the 20mph Blackfriars Bridge debacle, it's important to stand up to bullies rather than just letting them have their way because it's easier.

> Use it or lose it.

Or how about getting the police to patrol dual carriageways and motorways (fascinating concept that, isn't it?) and pull over selfish bastards who won't use the lanes properly? I'm sure you noticed in Germany (for example) that lane discipline was much better than here, so it's not like it's unrealistic to expect the general public to use lanes properly, it just takes some people to become less selfish (if necessary by being forced).

Why do I get the feeling that you're smug about the inside lane being taken away in your example? Don't you think it just makes the outside lane morons think that what they've been doing is right all along? (A bit like when a perfectly decent stretch of 60mph road where 60mph is perfectly attainable is inexplicably reduced to 40mph, thereby making the sanctimonious twat who has been driving down it at 35mph for years, holding up miles of traffic and refusing to pull over, think that he's somehow been "right" all this time and that all the people behind him wanted to go "too fast"....)

I bet some psycholists won't even use the new cycle lane, and cycle in the middle of the other lane, thereby holding up everyone behind them (although actually it's legal to drive in the cycle lane, but still, it's not the kind of thing you'd want to do in front of a police officer since you'd invariably attract attention to yourself).