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In article , JN@noparticularplacetogo.com says... > > Simon Mason wrote: > > > "JNugent"  wrote in message > > >> Show how bus passengers are more important than anyone else > >> (especially those in cars). > >> Don't forget to show your working out, even if it does consequently > >> betray some innate fascism. > > > Since most cities across the world promote rapid public transport, be it > > trams, trolley buses, metro trains and road buses, surely the onus is on > > you to show why all of these forms of mass transport should be reduced > > in speed to that of 1000's of crawling cars? Is it from a purely selfish > > point of view that wants to see everyone else "suffer" during their > > journey home like you have to? > > Changing the subject (or trying to) again, eh? > > Show how bus passengers are more important than anyone else (especially those > in cars). > > Don't forget to show your working out, even if it does consequently betray > some innate fascism.

He's having trouble with that, isn't he? I'm starting to think that Simon is just another car-hater, albeit less offensive and deceitful than most of them.

I'd *really* like to see Simon or any of the others explain why it's "necessary" to have a bus lane operating at times when there is only one bus an hour (which happens all too often, especially with 24/7 bus lanes). Let's face it, the only "reason" to have such a bus lane is to discourage motoring by causing congestion. When you have roadspace which stands empty the vast majority of the time (and Simon et al can roadspace allocation, and it's quite deliberate, just like all the other methods of removing roadspace from motorists (e.g. hatching, pavement buildouts, pointless cycle lanes, etc). And if the bus lane advocates are really just concerned about buses and emergency vehicles being allowed to get through, why do they advocate the fining of motorists who use bus lanes when they can see perfectly well that they're completely empty and that there are no buses, taxis etc anywhere near?  Why the hell should a left-turning motorist at traffic lights sit in a queue of traffic going straight ahead when they could just use the last 10m of an empty nearside bus lane which shouldn't even be there in the first place (for safety reasons if nothing else)?  Surely only a car-hater would want them to be fined.
 * see* that such bus lanes are usually empty), that is inefficient

The good news is that the vast majority of bus lanes (at least in places like London) are not legally bus lanes in one way or another, so when one gets a money-making PCN from a council for going into a "bus lane", they can easily get off it. (Something tells me that the "law is the law" types here aren't too keen on that...it seems that "the law is the law" only applies when it can be used against motorists...I wonder why? They're all for enforcing petty technicalities against motorists as much as possible, but when motorists fight back using other technicalities, they don't like it.  Now why oh why would that be?)

BTW Simon, Guy Cuthbertson is my real name. Or so I'm told.