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On Apr 10, 6:59=A0pm, TerryJ  wrote: > =A0And there are those, I would have thought you among them , that > would say a driver should be held responsible for at least some if not > all of the damage to a vulnerable road user that he has hit, by the > fact that it was his machine that did the damage and his choice to use > it thus endangering anyone near.

Yes, I'd have thought Chapman was among those to think that, considering that it's a venomously anti-motorist thing to say.

No-one would try to argue the same thing if a train hit a cyclist. It all comes back to the fact that militant car-haters like you and Chapman think that driving a car is somehow "illegitimate" and "wrong" in a way that driving a train "isn't". It's all about socialism and nothing to do with safety, the environment or any of the other excuses which are used.