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On 04/08/2011 21:58, Simon Mason wrote: > > "Commuters resort to pedal power to avoid the hassle of negotiating > Jakarta's chaotic roads.

Now that's a place which genuinely has traffic jams because there are too many vehicles for the roadspace, as opposed to here, where congestion is frequently manufactured by authorities with malicious phasing of traffic lights, unnecessary bus lanes, etc (but then you know that, and have applauded it, haven't you? "There's got to be a deterrent to motoring", yes?  Even if you're disabled and you can't possibly cycle and so you need to drive, apparently.)