Nuxx:143a8d0f-fd70-43c7-8cf2-3d6644b3e68f@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com

Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <143a8d0f-fd70-43c7-8cf2-3d6644b3e68f@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Red Lights & Emergency Vehicles Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:38:03 -0700 (PDT) References: <3c5cbe50-7f63-43a7-ba4b-149cf13e442f@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>   Lines: 26 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.105.150.187 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1208335083 30969 127.0.0.1 (16 Apr 2008 08:38:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 08:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com; posting-host=88.105.150.187; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9b5) Gecko/2008032620 Firefox/3.0b5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 2543 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:647434

On Apr 16, 5:25=A0am, David Damerell  wrote: > Quoting =A0Ben C =A0: > > >On 2008-04-15, Nuxx Bar  wrote: > >>"Letting an emergency vehicle through" is not a valid defence to a > >>charge of jumping a red light when driving. > >>Is this fair? > >It depends. > > Note that in the case widely quoted by the Paul Smith cabal, what actually=

> happened is that the cager tailed the first set of blues through the red > light, "because he thought there might be another one coming". If only > they made some sort of loud noise and were highly visible...

I have no idea what case you refer to. Are you suggesting that there's never been an incidence of someone having been convicted just for going over a red light-related white line far enough to let an emergency vehicle through? If so, you're wrong. As I said, such convictions are guaranteed as there is no legal defence to the charge.

(Of course, this has been the case for a long time, but it's only a widespread problem now that we have red light cameras, since any police officer would use their discretion (something that the motorist- haters don't like) and not give a ticket in such a situation.)