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On Jul 8, 2:34=A0pm, Trollsworth LeTrole  wrote: > * Struck off as unsubstantiated: uk.rec.cycling.moderated is being used > =A0 to advocate anti-motorist measures and socialism.

Maybe it's unsubstantiated because no-one ever said it in the first place, as I think you well know, and if (as I suspect) the misreprentation is deliberate than I find that most disingenuous. As far as I'm concerned, people can advocate anti-motorist measures as much as they like on URCM, as long as other people are then allowed to counter that advocation.

The real problem, as if I even need to say it, is the blatant and repeated bias shown towards proven anti-motorist posters like Chapman (oh, and most "moderators"), and against those who are perceived not to be anti-motorist enough, like me, JMS and Matt B. And socialism only comes into it in as much as that possibly being at the root of the deeply held and determined prejudice against drivers, the determination to give them a hard time even when doing so compromises safety (e.g. the wholehearted support of speed cameras and the refusal to even consider the wealth of evidence that they are dangerous), and the ludicrous assumption that no car journey is ever legitimate and feel guilty for getting behind the wheel. It's either socialism, a dislike of personal freedom and a wish for everyone's choices to be controlled by an authoritarian state, or both. Nothing else stacks up. Nothing else accounts for the continued strength of feeling against those using 4 wheels (or 2 if powered).
 * everyone* (even the elderly and disabled) should somehow be made to

But people can think those things if they want (though it would be nice if they were honest about their motives for once). All I ask is that posters are not treated differently to each other based on their opinions on motorists, helmets and other "important" subjects. I, and many others, have said that far too many times for you not to understand it. I don't think it's a remotely unreasonable thing to wish for...do you? Why would you want to sabotage efforts to reach such a state?