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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:17:01 +0000, Marc  wrote:

>Guy Cuthbertson wrote: >> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:25:40 -0700 (PDT), Myra in Cambridge >>  wrote: >> >>> What a load of shit. You don't even need to look at the headers to >>> know that this is a forgery. >> >> No, it is actually me, Guy Cuthbertson. And how can me saying "I >> won't post if..." be a "load of shit"? I wasn't making any >> statements, just saying that I won't take any further interest in this >> group if it stops being used as a base for the motorist-haters' >> campaigning > >How would you know?

1. Certain people (Chapman, Spindrift, etc) would stop advocating speed cameras and other anti-motorist measures, and preferably stop posting altogether.

2. People would no longer blame motorists for accidents when they had no evidence, advocate restrictions on motorists when they had no evidence that such restrictions would make the roads safer (e.g. lower speed limits), insult those who threatened the anti-motorist effort by pointing out the gaping safety-related flaws in anti-motorist measures like speed cameras, etc.

3. Posters who hate motorists cannot resist having a go at drivers at every opportunity. Therefore, when this stops, and everyone has a conciliatory attitude towards motorists and genuinely wishes to share the roads harmoniously with them, it will be entirely obvious. In the meantime, anyone who *doesn't* want to share the roads with motorists, and instead wants them to be bullied off the roads, will be readily apparent, as they are currently.

I'll know exactly when the motorist-haters have stopped misusing this group, in the same way that most people can tell the difference between a neutral discussion group (like what this group should be) and a newsgroup which has been largely taken over by politically motivated, extremist, lying cowards who at best don't really care about the extra road deaths caused by speed cameras, and at worst directly and knowingly cause these deaths to happen by being directly responsible for the number of speed cameras that we currently have (as Chapman is, having very close links with the DfT; in effect, he's a murderer).