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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!g38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <9fe7b148-5665-4731-96f6-5af78ee20f2b@g38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Traffic Light Timings Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 08:49:32 -0800 (PST) References:  <422ab5d9-8616-40e7-bb36-3b906f173176@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Lines: 33 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.151.152.80 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1233507003 23425 127.0.0.1 (1 Feb 2009 16:50:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=86.151.152.80; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008120122 Firefox/3.0.5,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 2660 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:684580

On Feb 1, 12:54=A0am, "james.an...@gmail.com"  wrote: > On Jan 15, 3:55=A0am, Saxman  > wrote: > > > Is there a resource where I can find out whether there are set times fo= r > > amber (for stopping) at standard traffic lights? =A0Are they dependent = on > > the speed limit in situ? =A0Less than 3 seconds in a 40mph carriageway > > seems at bit short IMO. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/europe/7862893.stm > > seems somewhat (tho not directly, cos it's Italy) relevant: > > "Fraudulent fines > > It is believed more than a million drivers have been trapped by the > system. > > But it is now claimed the lights were rigged to change from yellow to > red in three seconds instead of the regulation five or six seconds."

Such abuse of measures which are supposedly for safety in order to make life more unpleasant for motorists (and, often, fleece them at the same time) is applauded by many here. Some of them, like Doug and Brian Robertson, are open about it, despite their many other faults. Others, like the laughable Chapman and the deranged Spindrift, *still* deny that they think any such thing, despite automatically and determinedly supporting all anti-motorist measures without question, and automatically blaming the motorist every time there's a report of any kind of incident between a motorist and a cyclist/pedestrian.