Nuxx:C9759c26-23bd-4822-b55a-4b3e3ffa8f7b@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com

Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Child Death In Redditch Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:03:16 -0700 (PDT) References:   <9d01da1a-4907-4a3b-a064-b8cc9f2f81e2@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> Lines: 87 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.105.129.172 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1217959396 8838 127.0.0.1 (5 Aug 2008 18:03:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com; posting-host=88.105.129.172; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008070208 Firefox/3.0.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 5293 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:660937

On Aug 5, 10:03=A0am, spindrift  wrote: > On Aug 5, 9:54=A0am, Roger Thorpe  > wrote: > > > Wow Nuxx you really have turned into the Anti-Doug. > > Have a little think about how effective or not he is at spreading a > > message of reasonable environmental sensitivity and CO2 reduction...... > > > Now think about whether you are just here to have an argument or whethe= r > > you really care about the issues...... > > > Roger Thorpe > > 1/ > > the child's name was Ellis Smith and using his name to slag off > cyclists is beneath contempt > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hereford/worcs/7536707.stm

When have I slagged off cyclists? I don't mind cyclists at all, unless they also happen to be anti-motorist extremists like you. I have no quarrel with at least 90% of cyclists, and I've never said otherwise, least of all on this thread. Stop lying.

And I do regret that the genuine non-anti-motorist cyclists have to read the comments that I make on here against you extremists, but I only do it because this is the only uncensored place where you extremists hang out. The non-anti-motorist lot should tell you lot to go forth and multiply and form uk.rec.anti-motorist, then they would no longer get caught up in these exchanges, where I tell the truth about things like cameras and you and the other motorist-haters get annoyed about it. Until they do that, I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for them. Anyone who willingly lets extremists hang out on their forum/newsgroup is going to have to read their fair share of heated discussions.

> 2/ > > Bus drivers are regularly criticised here, seach on Vicky McCreery, > whose death at the hands of a bus driver who went to prison was > discussed at length here. There's no selectivity about criticising > dangerous drivers here, you don't know what you are talking about.

There's a hierarchy though, isn't there? You like criticising car drivers by far the most, and cyclists by far the least. It's pretty much the same as the insane "Road User Hierarchy" that the mad anti- motorist Livingstone presided over, except that cars and motorcycles get *way* more criticism than anyone else, and cyclists get *way* less.

If only a bus driver is responsible for a collision, you will criticise him, but with nowhere near as much venom as you would a car driver. Furthermore, you will not call for ludicrous restrictions on buses and anti-bus measures, whereas it's a different story if a car driver is to blame (and even if the car driver isn't to blame, you will still try to find an excuse to blame him, because you're thinking "He shouldn't have been driving at all, and if he hadn't then the collision might not have happened").

> 3/ > > In Ellis's case the bus driver hasn't been attacked because nobody > knows how he died yet.

Whereas if it was a car driver, you would have assumed that the car driver had been at fault, and also made some generalised comments about how cars are heavier than bikes so the driver had the responsibility to avoid the collision and all that prejudiced crap. (Strangely, despite buses being so much heavier than cars, you seem to think they're *less* dangerous than cars. I wonder why.)

> 4/ > > You are mad.

And you're projecting again. How many thousands of people, on how many different forums, genuinely believe that you have serious mental problems? How many thousands of people, on how many different forums, genuinely believe that you're a heavy drug user? You can avoid such points again and simply repeat "You are mad", but that will just confirm the modus operandi of you trolls: you make an incorrect statement, one of your opponents corrects the statement, you pretend not to have seen the correction and make the same incorrect statement again, and so on, ad nauseam. It's pathetic. You're pathetic. You're Spindrift after all.