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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!j20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Cycling in London safer than ever. Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:20:31 -0700 (PDT) References: <7545bea3-0420-4e73-adc3-179249344e6c@w3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>   <80abc9c1-ec6f-4138-8fdf-031d83a286a5@s12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> <4c5i35pv3nm1144ri5ebf5uv807e86d585@4ax.com>  Lines: 22 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.156.150.242 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1245532831 13999 127.0.0.1 (20 Jun 2009 21:20:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:20:31 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.156.150.242; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.11) Gecko/2009060215 Firefox/3.0.11 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 2402 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:710910

On Jun 20, 10:12=A0pm, "Colin McKenzie"  wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:21:25 +0100, Tom Crispin =A0 > > > > The LCC, I feel, got it wrong about motorcyclists using bus lanes. > > Cyclists tend to use the middle and left of bus lanes and > > motorcyclists use the right of bus lanes, so the two can co-exist in > > bus lanes. > > It seems to be generally agreed here that even a secondary cycling =A0 > position is about a metre from the kerb. > > In London's 3-metre bus lanes that gives about 1.7m between a cyclist's = =A0 > right elbow and a solid wall of queueing metal. A motorcyclist will =A0 > naturally steer for the middle of the gap he can see - giving an elbow to= =A0 > elbow distance of about half a metre. You may think that's enough, but I = =A0 > don't.

Ah. Yet another anti-motorist/anti-motorcyclist "benefit" from the "primary position" nonsense then.