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On Jul 30, 2:06=A0pm, Matt B  wrote: > Just zis Guy, you know? wrote: > > > > > Actually most drivers appear to overestimate their skill by a > > significant margin. > > The trick is to design and implement road engineering which provides > appropriately "factored" messages to drivers, which accommodate their > egos, yet still deliver sustainable safe driving, and which don't rely > upon ever stricter regulations, ever stricter enforcement and ever > stricter penalties to work.

But you're forgetting that (as far as Chapman is concerned) drivers are polluting, selfish scum who don't care about others, and therefore only measures which punish them and make them suffer are acceptable. If it's a choice between a measure that saves lots of lives and makes things more pleasant for drivers, and a measure which doesn't save as many lives but does make things harder for drivers, Chapman will go for the second option each and every time.