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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!npeer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!news2.euro.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!shaftesbury.zen.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Guy Cuthbertson  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Bus lane moaners. Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:28:01 -0000 References:     <2eadndaaRpovforWnZ2dnUVZ8uednZ2d@pipex.net>           <MPG.25836fb6837cf46a9896cb@news.zen.co.uk> <nOqdnf2hkcty-YTWnZ2dnUVZ8jmdnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk> <MPG.258629c28959c6ea9896d2@news.zen.co.uk> <F9Gdnb9iFbDHYIHWnZ2dnUVZ8sWdnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk> Lines: 36 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/2.9.13 Organization: Zen Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: e3b9ddac.news.zen.co.uk X-Trace: DXC=?QnDbA8:nU5C9mHfSDa?A5nok4Z\<mH49hDU:2=XKPk8IkoQHn2kY<9En<S9LLeaZ=gk7fh;V5L[; X-Complaints-To: abuse@zen.co.uk Bytes: 3493 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:745791

In article <F9Gdnb9iFbDHYIHWnZ2dnUVZ8sWdnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk>, simon@simonmason.karoo.co.uk says... > > "Guy Cuthbertson" <guy.c@nothing.invalid> wrote in message > news:MPG.258629c28959c6ea9896d2@news.zen.co.uk... > > > > > Yeah, great. So people who have no option but to drive a car are also > > spitefully made to *suffer* along with those who supposedly "shouldn't" > > drive. The general spite, nastiness and single-minded viciousness > > inherent in anti-motorist measures is quite something to behold. > > Sorry, Guy. Snipped the wrong bit as I was in a hurry to go for a ride. > > This should make more sense. > > You "suffer" when you are in a cancer ward. Being stuck in a traffic jam of > your own making is a minor ball ache.

Semantics. Let's keep this simple: do you believe that speed cameras and lowered speed limits are used (at least in part) to discourage motoring in the same way that you've admitted bus lanes are? If not, how can you be so sure?

> My mistake.

It's that kind of admission that sets you apart from the pondlife here. Thank goodness there are at least a few camera supporters that you can have a debate with without them becoming uncivil, dishonest and evasive at the drop of a hat. (Of course, that number is getting less and less all the time, as since such people are relatively honest, sincere and intelligent, they are gradually realising their mistakes one by one and renouncing their support of cameras. I reckon you will one day as well Simon.  Anyone can make a mistake.  It's the people, like C***man, who support cameras in the full knowledge that they KILL people who deserve nothing but the deepest contempt.)