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On May 29, 4:53=A0pm, jms  wrote: > On Fri, 29 May 2009 15:31:25 +0100, a...@darkroom.+.com (A.Lee) wrote: > >Geoff Berrow  wrote: > > >> Historically, I think there is a good case for saying that creating a > >> moderated group because of a noise problem doesn't seem to work. > > >> Besides, the existing group is far from unusable[1] from what I can > >> see. =A0[1] even without filters > > >The first point is quite possible, the yorkshire group demonstrates > >this, and I can see echoes of the situation there at the time, with only > >2 or 3 posters ruining the group. > > >The existing (U.R.C) group is a shadow of its former self, and has been > >declining for 5 years, with the sudden intake of trolls in the last year > >driving away many of the 'quality' posters who just cannot be bothered > >with the idiotic behaviour of some, even with kill files. > > >A properly moderated group, with a well defined charter may be a step > >forward, but I doubt it will be a high usage group as URC used to be. > > >Alan. > > So the group has been in decline for 5 years - then deteriorated > further 3 years ago - and deteriorated further 1 year ago. > > I wonder if there is a common group of people who have "survived" > those 5 years and who could be the real contributory factor to the > decline. > > I only visited the group a year ago - and I have made it very clear > why I stayed and why I post what I do. > > It would be interesting to see who has actually been in the group > consistently for 5 years - are they the real root cause of the > problems? > > It is of course much easier to blame the "latest trolls"

Now who's been in the group for the last 5 years? Let me just check...OH LOOK! CHAPMAN! Who would have thought? Maybe, just maybe, those who say that *he* is the single person who has caused the most problems in URC have got a point! Maybe, just maybe, getting rid of *him* is the way forward, rather than all this faux "moderation" nonsense!