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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!k41g2000yqh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: primary position/ride well clear DfT advice Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:23:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <59a9bc17-0272-4ac5-bc14-bd59b2f935a0@c12g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>  <307c6ff8-a062-495e-9c2f-3d16c9dc6730@j18g2000yql.googlegroups.com>      Lines: 51 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.154.123.12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1240543434 10631 127.0.0.1 (24 Apr 2009 03:23:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 03:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: k41g2000yqh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=86.154.123.12; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.8) Gecko/2009032609 Firefox/3.0.8 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 4074 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:697591

On Apr 23, 11:52=A0pm, thaksin  wrote: > Phil W Lee wrote: > > "Brian Robertson"  considered Thu, 23 Apr 2009 > > 22:20:40 +0100 the perfect time to write: > > >> Tony Dragon wrote: > >>> Brian Robertson wrote: > >>>> francis wrote: > >>>>> On 23 Apr, 09:34, "Brian Robertson"  wrote: > >>>>>> Nick L Plate wrote: > >>>>>>> It may not be in the highway code, but it will be. > >>>>>>> See: > >>>>>>>http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/cyclingandmotorcycling/dr= ive... > >>>>>> It doesn't mention carrying a half brick to lob through the window > >>>>>> of cars where the motorist pulls out on you as if you don't exist. > >>>>> Thus spake the voice of reason. > > >>>>> Francis > >>>> I'm not reasonable EVER when people try to kill me. > > >>> Were you reasonable when you tried to kill other people? > >> Why don't you go and perform a sexual act upon yourself? > > > I doubt he has either the endowment or the agility. > > Dear Phil, > Given that you've been 'kind enough' to share on this newsgroup > your opinions on the "trolls" and why you despise them so, I thought it > only fair to reciprocate and let you know why such a feeling might well > be mutual. See, the poster you're giving succour to is more than a > little reviled by the greater part of the groups he posts in, given not > just the horrifying incident where he showed up for work drunk to drive > a train full of passengers, but also his oft-quoted belief that this was > not something to be ashamed of because "everybody did it". > > That would be bad enough, but he also goes out of his way to further the > gulf between cyclists and car drivers with his obnoxious gloating over > every potential restriction on private cars. One would imagine that a > 'genuine' cyclist such as yourself would wish to distance yourself from > such a person, but bizarrely he seems to find support here. Perhaps the > occasionally voiced view that cyclists are blind to the sins of their > peers is true after all?

Very well said. Of course, the reason why he finds support here is that many of the posters here who claim to be "pro-cyclist" are actually more anti-motorist than anything else. These people give themselves away by supporting measures which make things harder for motorists, even when such measures also make things harder and/or more dangerous for cyclists. Speed cameras are of course the classic example, but there are plenty of others.