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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!f16g2000vbf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.net.news.config,uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Alas, poor Usenet (was Re: 2nd RFD: create moderated newsgroup 	uk.rec.cycling.moderated) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:27:45 -0700 (PDT) References: <39a11b08-3aec-4786-9f9c-23cd96b2ab41@g1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>   <160k45hduq0mudeb8n2sqp5nndmqr6os3s@4ax.com> <11bbc08f-9571-409b-988b-746c16eef17e@y7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>      Lines: 49 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.153.43.239 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1246490867 17340 127.0.0.1 (1 Jul 2009 23:27:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f16g2000vbf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=86.153.43.239; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.11) Gecko/2009060215 Firefox/3.0.11 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 4684 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.net.news.config:55011 uk.rec.cycling:6410

On Jul 1, 6:32 pm, aardv...@the.zoo wrote: > > I've never bothered to actually spend enough time looking into the > claims Nuxx makes to form an opinion (sorry, Nuxx)

I honestly couldn't care less (though I'm a bit surprised...you've certainly spoken up in support of my views on the "main subjects" before, quite recently in fact). The point is that we don't fall out with each other because neither of us has an automatic intolerance of anyone who disagrees with us on particular subjects. *That*, together with Chapman's belligerence, is what has led to the problems in URC.

And BTW, I've posted for many years on many other forums, and again, I've never had any problems except here (and, to a much lesser extent, on one or two cycling forums, which have some of the same posters as here, and other people who are similar "I've decided that the best way of getting anti-motorist measures is to pretend I care about road safety" dickheads). So I definitely think there's something in your theory that this place and its regulars are what cause the friction, rather than you/me/Judith/etc.

We're just the scapegoats; Chapman et al think it's easier to blame it on us and call us silly names like "troll" than it is to accept responsibility and examine their own bad attitudes towards those who have different opinions to them. They're even prepared to waste their time and everyone else's, and quite possibly ruin URC permanently, by creating a "moderated" group to deal with a "troll" problem that they know doesn't really exist. But pretending that they want a "moderated" group when really they just want to censor certain opinions won't work, and will be ultimately self-defeating, as is their general refusal to accept that this is pretty much all their fault. Can't they see that they're just making things harder for themselves? Are they really too stupid to realise that? Are they so arrogant and stubborn that they won't accept the blame to any extent even when that's probably the only way they'll save "their" newsgroup?

They'll be doing everyone a favour, especially themselves, if they stop the charade before it's too late and start improving their behaviour towards those who have the temerity to disagree with them. The wish to shoot the messenger by silencing anyone who reports unpalatable facts is demonstrative of a deep character flaw, and those who suffer from that particular flaw really should be addressing it instead of messing about with this "moderation" nonsense. If things are a certain way, you *have* to accept it, no matter how much you might hate it that they're that way; simply pretending that things like it is won't help *anyone*, and is truly pathetic. Certain people really need to accept reality, and I'm sure they'd feel better and more at ease with the world if they just did.
 * aren't* that way and being aggressive towards anyone who tells it