Nuxx:31cfca73-aa95-4600-b797-4361b3721391@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com

Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <31cfca73-aa95-4600-b797-4361b3721391@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Chapman: His Agenda Exposed Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 22:50:06 -0700 (PDT) References: <0f3fd3c5-7db2-47aa-bbd5-bbbae629d329@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>  <6fgnnoFbgevnU1@mid.individual.net>   <9602bd32-5cfc-41eb-aa74-7afabb170608@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> Lines: 99 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.105.129.172 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1217915406 22265 127.0.0.1 (5 Aug 2008 05:50:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 05:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=88.105.129.172; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008070208 Firefox/3.0.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 6834 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:660816

On Aug 4, 1:31 pm, spindrift  wrote: > On Aug 4, 12:49 pm, David Damerell  > wrote: > > > Quoting Nigel Cliffe : > > > >From the NNTP server I use, someone called NuxxBar made postings to the > > >thread at 12:43 and 12.56 via Googlegroups, with the message headers showing > > >an IP address of 88.105.145.93 > > >The post Guy reports as forgery was made at 12:48 from the same IP address. > > > I may die of not surprised. Well dug. > > -- > > David Damerell  Kill the tomato! > > Today is Wednesday, July. > > Hang on, nuxxy set up a new user name and posted as Guy, from the same > computer, to claim he's won the debate? > > Is this, like, a public mental breakdown or summat?

Oh look, the "calling other people mental" part of Spindrift's mental illness is manifesting itself again. Your illness waxes and wanes, doesn't it, Spindrift? You were seemingly quite lucid a couple of days ago, although of course you were still a motorist-hating git. Please get the help you need, for your own sake, as well as that of others. How many thousands of people from how many different forums need to certify you as crackers before you'll accept it? (Criminally crackers as well, and not just online either, as we know.)

The funny/telling thing is that everyone who read that post believed that it was Crapman. Everyone knows that he's a lying anti-motorist piece of shit. Everyone accepted it as genuine: no-one replied with "Hang on, that doesn't sound like you", or "OMG, you've changed your mind", or anything like that. Crapman spouting hateful anti-motorist rubbish is nothing new round here. Hell, Crapman himself didn't even bother denying that that was what he thought.

Anyway, assuming that it was even me (perhaps it was someone else in the building, or our wireless network wasn't secure, or maybe Crapman or one of the trolls hacked in over the Internet), what about that post was a "forgery"? My name is Guy (Crapman said so himself), and I like The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy. If using uce@ftc.gov as an email address, so that scammers send the Federal Trade Commission their chain scam emails, is a forgery, then Crapman's posts are also forgeries. Furthermore, does Crapman have exclusive rights to warn people that his posts may contain irony, or to talk about helmet statistics? And if another poster thinks that Crapman's Site Of Hate is so excellent (or, more likely, comical, and not in a good way) that they want to post a link to it, what's the problem with that? Lots of people link to other people's websites in their signatures.

Crapman and his hideous, disgusting troll-friends should be careful about throwing around words such as "forgery". Nothing about that post definitively said "I am the Guy Chapman who cycles, hates motorists and is from Reading". A poster with the name of Guy Cuthbertson is perfectly within his rights to use the "From" header and signature contained within that post.

If Crapman doesn't want people using the same headers/signatures as him, he should set the "From" header to "Guy Chapman", using his own email address (with a spam trap if necessary), and put something like "Guy Chapman, Reading, UK" and then "My Site Of Hate: http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk" in his signature. (You know, like that prick of a lowly lab assistant from University Of Dundee who pretentiously sets out his signature as if he's some kind of lecturer...talk about bitter.) Only then could he reasonably use the word "forgery" about someone else using the same headers/signature.

But that won't stop the trolls from moaning and claiming otherwise. That is what happens here on uk.rec.anti-motorist. The trolls make malicious, unfounded, agenda-driven statements based on falsehoods. A non-troll patiently explains in simple words exactly how such statements are unfounded and based on falsehoods. The trolls then dishonestly pretend not to have seen the explanation (because they can't argue with it), and continue to make the same malicious, unfounded statements. The same pattern then continues again and again. It's been going on for several years regarding cameras, for example. The trolls simply aren't bothered one iota about whether there is any truth in what they claim: as long as they're having a go at motorists and/or those who dare not to be anti-motorist, they couldn't care less if they're lying or not.

Ridiculous, ludicrous, absurd, preposterous, farcical trolls. Not very good.

Guy -- If anyone copies this signature, I'll complain about their post being a "forgery". Similarly, if anyone else uses the handle "Nuxx Bar", that'll also be a forgery, because I'm so important that no-one else is allowed to use the same handle as me (even though normal Internet "rules" do not prevent more than one person from using the same handle). Having said that, my usenet email address is actually real (even though I don't check it, in case any of the trolls have sent unhinged abuse and/or death threats), so there is at least one part of this post which is uniquely identifiable to me, unlike in Crapman's posts (yet he has the nerve to call me an "anonymous coward"...it's yet another quality piece of utter hypocrisy from the Queen Troll!)