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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.readnews.com!transit3.readnews.com!news-out.news.tds.net!news.ripco.com!feeder.erje.net!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!shaftesbury.zen.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4e319d5f$0$2537$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: So much for hi-vis Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:33:19 +0100 References:   Lines: 25 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To:  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Zen Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 0e73ebf8.news.zen.co.uk X-Trace: DXC=oA1?SA`6YPj[CkD3FXVD_inok4Z\b5Zf:eQXVbEn "Simon Mason"  wrote in message > news:eb68c150-3020-40f4-a001-2dbf7cd9ae80@d7g2000vbv.googlegroups.com... >> I'd rather rely on daylight running lights than a passive device like >> hi-vis. >> >> http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5344064/Cyclist-queries-worth-of-high-visibility-clothing >> >> -- >> Simon Mason >> > > why not use both?

Because, as with helmets, resisting compulsion is *the* most important thing, and compromising the safety of cyclists by pretending that helmets/hi-vis don't help is "worth it" in order to "achieve" that. Apparently.

After all, cyclists *mustn't* ever be made to do *anything*, no matter how much it improves safety, because they're morally superior to other road users. Similarly, motorists must be restricted as much as possible, even when such restrictions place road users in danger, because they need to be punished for being fundamentally selfish, and "encouraged" not to drive.