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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!h31g2000yqd.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.transport,uk.rec.driving,uk.rec.cycling,uk.net.news.config,uk.transport.buses Subject: Re: Censorship in uk.rec.cycling.moderated Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:41:08 -0700 (PDT) References:      <8ia955562a0r7i8t51l6lp59k7co025ld2@4ax.com>   <9eob551usn4veu8gic3pdq45eo9f0oeab6@4ax.com> <40775f73-b68b-471e-94aa-98c2685d0c4a@h2g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>  Lines: 61 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.163.209.43 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1247168468 25004 127.0.0.1 (9 Jul 2009 19:41:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: h31g2000yqd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=86.163.209.43; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.11) Gecko/2009060215 Firefox/3.0.11 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 4315 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.transport:174 uk.rec.driving:178 uk.rec.cycling:6978 uk.net.news.config:55832 uk.transport.buses:17

On Jul 9, 8:30=A0pm, mym...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:06:31 -0700 (PDT), Nuxx Bar > > > >  wrote: > >On Jul 9, 1:27=A0pm, mym...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: > >> On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:53:56 +0100, jms  > >> wrote: > > >> >On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:21:11 +0100, "Allan"  > >> >wrote: > > >> >>"jms"  wrote in message > >> >>news:8ia955562a0r7i8t51l6lp59k7co025ld2@4ax.com... > > >> >>> for clarification: despite the intention to appear so =A0- it was = not > >> >>> from me. > > >> >>> It was from someone trying to blacken my name - I cannot guess who= - > >> >>> someone who is despicable. > > >> >>What proof do you have? > > >> >Sorry old bean - proof of what? > > >> Could you please tell me why you have cross posted this to > >> uk.transport.buses. > > >I didn't know there was a uk.transport.buses. =A0I find it rather > >amusing. > > I don't find stupid and dangerous bike riders amusing at all in fact > bike riders are a total danger to other road users they pay no head to > traffic lights wobble about all over the road and God knows what > else.

Well I don't often ride a bike, and while some bike riders are as you describe, many aren't, and I try to avoid tarring all users of a particular mode of transport with the same brush.

Unfortunately, cyclists get a bad press, more so than they deserve, because those who speak most vocally on behalf of cyclists are often actually just car-haters who pretend to be "pro-cycling" in order to give their spiteful anti-car campaigning a respectable front. uk.rec.cycling is one cycling-related mouthpiece which has been mostly taken over by such types; those of us who are reasonable have a hard time making ourselves heard over the anti-motorist bollocks that's constantly flying around.

Most normal cyclists that I know are actually nice people who are considerate to other road users and don't have a chip on their shoulder. But unfortunately the "cyclists" that people tend to remember are the car-haters described above and the maniacs that you sometimes see on the roads, especially in places like London. It is true that many cyclists jump red lights though, but a case can be put forward that that's not dangerous if done carefully at a pedestrian crossing where all pedestrians have crossed (not that I'm condoning such behaviour).