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On Mar 17, 7:59=A0am, Adrian  wrote: > > No, of course not. Because you aren't actually interested in whether > people are safe or not. No, that's merely a handy stick to beat The Evil > Car with, isn't it?

Got it in one. Chapman hates it when anyone exposes his car-hating (which is why he likes URCM, because people aren't allowed to do that there), but what he *really* hates is when the person doing the exposing can't handily be dismissed as a "troll" and he actually has to address their points, which of course he can't adequately do, because he really is anti-motorist, and I don't know why on Earth he continues to deny it when it's so obvious.

The number of people who have independently come to the conclusion that Chapman is anti-motorist (e.g. me, Adrian, Steve Firth, Mr Benn, Judith, Sir Jeremy, Nully, The Medway Handyman, Mr Cheerful, Derek C, all sorts of posters from Safe Speed...and they're just off the top of my head) shows beyond reasonable doubt that there must be something in it. That he keeps pretending otherwise says a lot about him and how easy he thinks it is to bullshit people.

There's also the fact that tellingly, whenever a Chapman forgery appears containing an explicitly anti-motorist rant, reams of people always believe that it's really him. He can't stand that.

> > The point is that the main determinant of death and serious injury is > > the presence or absence of a motor vehicle. > > Is it? Is it really? If that was the case, then I'd have expected deaths > from being run over by horses and carts before the motor vehicle to be > zero, or close to. > > Somehow, I think you know - with or without the figure - that that wasn't > the case, don't you?

Ouch, more awkward questions...I predict a "No point in continuing this" very soon.... Chapman will always, always look for the way of attaching maximum blame to motorists. It's always about finding any excuse he can for blaming, restricting and punishing drivers as much as possible.

What I've never understood is why Chapman hates cars and so determinedly exaggerates the danger they cause. Does he want to control everyone, is it some barmy vision of a socialist utopia, or is it something else? It's obviously something that's very important to him, so it seems strange that he's so coy about admitting to it...it's like he's simultaneously passionate for whatever "cause" it is that's behind it all, and yet ashamed of it and/or worried that people will easily be able to pick holes in it. No wonder he's so unreasonable if he's that deeply conflicted even within himself.