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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!dr5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Government Could Raise Speed Limit Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:24:57 -0700 (PDT) References:  <8u7gpmFpncU1@mid.individual.net>  <8u966jF56jU2@mid.individual.net>   Lines: 65 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.71.49.124 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1300209897 2812 127.0.0.1 (15 Mar 2011 17:24:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:24:57 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: dr5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=82.71.49.124; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Firefox/3.6.15,gzip(gfe) Bytes: 4562 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:844176

On Mar 15, 2:42=A0pm, Simon Mason  wrote: > On Mar 15, 2:26=A0pm, Nuxx Bar  wrote: > > > On Mar 15, 1:00=A0pm, Tony Raven  wrote: > > > > Derek C wrote: > > > > > And the rail > > > > fare costs go up in 100% increments for each additional passenger, > > > > which is not true for a car. > > > > You've not heard of railcards and the various offers* then? =A0But it > > > keeps up your tradition of being wrong on everything. > > > Tony, do you oppose the motorway speed limit being raised to 80mph? > > If so, why? > > It wastes fuel

Self-regulating. People don't need a speed limit to go slowly if they want to save fuel. If they don't want to save fuel, and are happy to pay the extortionate prices for more, that's up to them, as this is a free, capitalist society, despite some wishing otherwise.

In any event, speed limits should only be about safety, as that's why they carry points. The idea of someone being banned from driving for using fuel inefficiently four times must surely be ludicrous even to you.

> and would mean the de facto speed limit would really be > 80 + 8 + 3 mph =3D 91mph as opposed to the near 80mph a lot of people > are *already* doing.

Actually the ACPO guidelines are that enforcement starts at 10% + 2mph, not 10% + 3mph. And in answer to your point, so what? What is so specifically dangerous about 90mph in good conditions, other than "Oh shock horror, it's a whole 20mph above the current limit"? Why should the limit be 70mph in particular? Can you answer that without referring to the fact that it's already 70mph? It seems that you're effectively saying "The speed limit shouldn't be raised because the speed limit shouldn't be raised".

The Cumbria "Safety" Camera Partnership currently sends out tickets to anyone they zap doing 79mph or above on the M6, rain or shine, deserted or otherwise. What you're saying is not only that that's right and proper because "the law is the law", but that the law can't possibly be changed, and that 79mph threshold can't possibly be raised, because it would just be too dangerous. It's actually necessary to ticket people doing 79mph, every single time it's detected, not just because it's illegal, but because it's so fast that it's unsafe. I'm sorry, that's just barking. Do you think 80mph on an unrestricted Autobahn is dangerous? You're saying 80mph would be dangerous even if it were allowed here, so surely it must be dangerous in Germany as well?

Still, fair play to you, at least you've had a go at explaining why you oppose an 80mph limit, unlike Squawk and Chapman, who seem to be really struggling for excuses to support the 70mph restriction with "think of the cyclists" removed from their arsenal. Ah, the trials and tribulations of being a car-hater who won't admit to being a car- hater.

BTW I heard that a judge shoplifted on his way to work this morning. Oh no, sorry, he was speeding. But I know that for you, it's the same whichever he did. ;-)