Nuxx:47ea7add-532f-41b4-84d9-e2e228684f82@j39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com

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On Jan 26, 2:13=A0am, "Trevor A Panther"  wrote: > After over 45 posts in the last 4 days I confess to having consigned "Jus= t > this guy" yet again to my "killfile". His endless drivelling responses la= bel > him as much of a "troll" =A0as =A0"judith" / "nuxx" ( in his/her countles= s > aliases) and he has finally joined that select band of permanent resident= s.

Are you suggesting that Judith and I are the same person? If so, you're not exactly the sharpest tool in the box, are you? Do you think that by giving yourself a pompous avatar, you'll persuade people that you must be automatically right about everything?

You are right, however, that Crapman is a fuckwit and is more responsible than anyone for the state of URC. It's high time that he and his motorist-hating sycophants stopped using this group as a platform for their warped anti-car views. The murderer Crapman has even resorted to attempting to censor discussions about the efficacy of speed cameras by deliberately stirring it when everyone is getting along fine and having an adult debate (without him of course), such is his fear that the truth will emerge if he doesn't (cf the recent 100+- post thread started by me, where *every* post was a positive and worthwhile contribution to the discussion - except his one). Newsgroups are supposed to be about debate and discussion, yet he wishes to suppress the "wrong" kinds of debate and discussion, and even when he deigns to get involved in a debate, his infamous and sneering "style" towards his opponents (not to mention his constant and blatant dishonesty, together with his ever-present hidden agendas) is deeply unhelpful.

> I shall be subjected to flames I know, but he, above all others, bears a = large > responsibility for dragging this NG back into the mire.

Actually, I think the majority here agree with you. Perhaps you and them need to unite and tell Crapman in no uncertain terms that he's not welcome here. But you won't, because you're scared. You know that him, Spindrift and their posse of hate-filled psychopaths have a track record of writing abusive letters, making bomb threats and so on and so forth against anyone who dares to oppose them, and you don't want to become their latest target.

Still, don't you think you ought to stand up to them and send out the message that you will not have your rights to free speech denied by little Bin Ladens who try to silence their opponents with fear? When people think of cyclists, do you want them to think of lying, murdering, car-hating terrorist wannabes, or reasonable, moderate types who (just like most motorists) only want to be treated fairly and reasonably, and not to be despised and discriminated against just for choosing their particular method of transport?

Get rid of the car-hating freaks, and the "trolling" will disappear. You know it perfectly well. "Trolls" only bother with groups which house controversial or infamous posters in the first place, and there would be nothing remotely controversial or infamous about this group if only the despised motorist-haters were ousted. Why would anyone bother "trolling" a group which was genuinely just about cycling discussion, any more than they would bother "trolling" a group about knitting? It would be boring. The answer to this group's problems is always the same: get rid of the universally loathed loonies like Chapman and Spindrift, who are only using this group to further their own spiteful agendas anyway, and everything will be fine. Why not try it? Nothing else has worked, has it? It's time for some realism. You know it makes sense.