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On Jun 21, 1:57=A0pm, robert hancy  wrote: > > So, you want to ban police cars from the road?

No, I just want people not to be made to believe that they're going to get the book thrown at them (with possible loss of livelihood etc) for going at a reasonable speed. If, as should be the case, drivers could be confident that they'd only be done for speeding if they were dangerous in other ways, and speed limits were set at reasonable levels (i.e. above the 85th percentile), we would no longer get the situation where a driver was driving perfectly safely (if possibly above the Holy Speed Limit) until the moment that they saw the imminent threat of being heavily punished for that safe driving, whereby all hell broke loose.
 * really* going too fast for the conditions, and/or their driving was

Who does that help, except car-haters who don't care how many accidents are being caused as long as drivers are being bullied off the roads (literally in this case)?

I'm all for increased traffic police (together with scrapping the cameras), but they should be focussing on things other than numerical speed, which is pretty unimportant, in stark contrast to the way that it's currently being treated by the authorities. And the authorities are only treating it that way because it's easy to measure (and therefore "enforce"), and it's a great way of making things unpleasant for motorists, given that all drivers speed (much as some people don't like to admit that, since it puts a huge dent in their arguments).

> How old are you?

Old enough, not that it's really any of your business. If you really care that much, you can work out my minimum age from recent posts of mine. It makes no difference to the matter at hand though. Either you can refute my arguments or, as it appears, you can't.