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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!r34g2000vbi.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <71b10266-7cbc-4e0d-aa51-42faa63f4cab@r34g2000vbi.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Pre-RFD: uk.rec.cycling.moderated Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:35:47 -0700 (PDT) References: <2lc*4xWHs@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>   Lines: 14 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.156.251.27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1243460147 14217 127.0.0.1 (27 May 2009 21:35:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:35:47 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: r34g2000vbi.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.156.251.27; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042316 Firefox/3.0.10 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 1916 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:704741

On May 27, 2:45=A0pm, Alistair Gunn  wrote: > Martin twisted the electrons to say: > > > Criticism of cyclists should be on topic, which does not seem to be in > > your charter. > > Potential problem there is that it could allow the whole "all cyclists > jump red lights, don't have lights on their bikes and should be wearing > helmets" thread(s).

But hang on: what if the criticism were correct? What if all cyclists were true, or is it just a case of "Cycling or cyclists in general must never be criticised no matter how factual that criticism is"?
 * did* jump red lights? Would it even matter whether the criticisms