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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!novia!news-out1.kabelfoon.nl!newsfeed.kabelfoon.nl!bandi.nntp.kabelfoon.nl!feeder.news-service.com!cyclone03.ams2.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!npeersf01.ams.highwinds-media.com!newsfe03.ams2.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: _  Newsgroups: uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Cyclists going through red traffic lights Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:31:51 +0000 References: <72h0pkFpshmdU1@mid.individual.net>   <8tednWtvwPu-blnUnZ2dnUVZ8jWWnZ2d@bt.com>  <72khd0Fqlfd8U1@mid.individual.net> Lines: 53 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <72khd0Fqlfd8U1@mid.individual.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.12.82.202 X-Complaints-To: http://netreport.virginmedia.com X-Trace: newsfe03.ams2 1237653144 86.12.82.202 (Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:32:24 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:32:24 UTC Organization: virginmedia.com Bytes: 3779 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:690503

Iain wrote: > "JNugent"  wrote in message > news:wsednbKpwq8CnVjUnZ2dnUVZ8uoLAAAA@pipex.net... >> Adam Lea wrote: >>> JNugent wrote: >>>> Do you refer to comments on cyclists *habitually* ignoring (not >>>> "jumping", which sounds almost athletic and worthy) red traffic >>>> lights? >>>> If you can point to another offence so routinely, publically and >>>> patently committed by well over 50% of the relevant cohort of the >>>> population, please feel free. >>> Speeding. >> "Patently"? >> >> I put that word in for a reason. >> >> Do you have x-ray vision and calibrated eyeballs? > > It is clear from other comments in this thread that some cyclists have no > regard for the traffic light system. Some have tried to justify this by > maybe trivialising it, several have tried to compare this with motorists > jumping lights, and have even offered some bizarre statistics to support it. > > There is little to compare. It is clear that some cyclists go out in mind > to completely ignore traffic lights - regardless. They have said so. There > is clear premeditation - clear intent - to do so. > > The only way that this can possibly be compared to motorists jumping lights > is if a survey were done of motorists (and cyclists, of course) approaching > an ALREADY red light, which is what I saw. Then only would it be reasonable > to compare figures. If cyclists were seen to be skipping 'just turned red' > lights, I do not think there would be nearly so much hot air around. > > It is the patent, blatent and premeditated intentions of going through > ALREADY red lights that have been made very clear by some in this thread > that upsets motorists, and clearly some other cyclists. > > And amazingly, one person even said that he, in his opinion, considered > going through red lights safe and responsible to teach to young people! > (Yet he himself wanted to be safe.) > > I had absolutely no idea when I started this thread the fixed minds of some > of those who go through red lights. And then I saw this: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLzGj10fg2g > > Iain > > That clips been discussed here before, and some of the muppets in URC even tried to condone it. Personally, I sincerely hope every one of the riders in that clip end up as bonnet mascots on a passing Scania. Rob Morley reckons thats unreasonably disproportionate, but that hasn't changed my mind. Future Darwin Award nominees, the lot of 'em :)