Nuxx:A92a5223-0724-4460-89f1-5adbfad2ffb8@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com

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On Feb 9, 11:51 pm, Martin Dann  wrote: > In message <6074774d-6b65-42a5-aafa-5fbb4d4cc...@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com> >          Nuxx Bar  wrote: > > > Surely saving lives, rather than ideological anti-car nonsense, should > > *always* be the top priority when deciding on road safety measures; > > anything less and people will die unnecessarily. Surely no-one can > > reasonably argue with that. > > I am not anti motorist

Liar.

> Speed kills. The faster you drive, the more likely you are to crash. > The faster you drive, the more likely to kill or be killed if you do crash.

Simplistic lies. They've been debunked a million times and you still repeat them. You pretend they're true because cameras provide an excellent way of persecuting motorists. Stop with the lies already.

> Speed cameras save lives.

Liar. Fraud.

> > Those who interfere with road safety in order to make things > > unpleasant for drivers have BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS. Those who support > > them have BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS. Those who knowingly propagate the > > associated lies have BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS. When are these bastards > > going to stop pretending that they are doing anything but effectively > > signing people's death warrants? > > Those that interfere with road safety just so that they can get a kick out of > driving fast have blood on their hands. Those that belong to, or run, > pressure groups campaigning against speed cameras have blood on your hands.

So you don't agree that those who interfere with road safety in order to make things unpleasant for drivers have blood on their hands? It's quite clear that it only works one way for you. You're happy with people interfering with road safety to make things unpleasant for drivers. But you're not happy for people to interfere with road safety to "get a kick out of driving fast" (even though those who campaign against cameras do no such thing).

And yet you claim not to be anti-motorist. Incredible. Who do you think you're fooling?

And why do you claim that "speed kills" when it doesn't? Why do you claim that cameras work when they don't? I think it's because you're anti-motorist. It's so screamingly obvious. Why not admit it? Why lie? Are you a coward?

> Your mate paul smith has blood on his hands, a lot of it.

No, because he told the truth, and campaigned for actual road safety. You campaign *against* road safety by knowingly advocating false, discredited safety measures. You interfere with road safety in order to persecute motorists. You have blood all over your body, except around your genital area, because your pants are on fire.

Pathetic and spineless. One of the worst cycling trolls that has ever been. BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS.