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Doug wrote: > On 7 Jan, 19:04, Conor  wrote: >> In article > c49e85df4...@k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, Doug says... >> Hang on, is this *Duhg*? Ah shit, my prediction of a tumbleweed went wrong then. I'll have to hope for some Bollenocks instead.

>>> You have proved nothing, as usual. How can someone like me, who >>> doesn't use a car and doesn't celebrate Christmas, waste more >>> resources than you who does both? >> Quite easily. You live alone - the most wasteful form of living, >> > Depends on each individual's lifestyle. My experience of communal > living is that not everyone cooperates as much as one would wish.

Eh? So you're admitting that communal living is more economical, but making a personal choice that you dont like it? But isn't the whole thrust of your point that the motorists you hate dont like to not use their cars, but that in the greater good they should do something they dont want to do (i.e. leave cars at home)? Isn't that a tad hippopotamus?

>> and >> you buy lots of airfreighted food and stuff from Tescos which has >> travelled the thick end of 1000 miles even if it was wholly UK sourced. >> > I don't buy 'lots' and in some cases it will use less energy than a > similar food grown in the UK. Also, you use a car for food shopping > which is the very worst for food miles.

Thats not the question, though, is it? Conor might make a choice that isn't ideal, in the same way that you make a communal living choice that isn't ideal, but what we're looking at here is *overall* harm.

>> Every time you cook a meal for 30 minutes, 100% of the gas or electric >> used is applicable to you. Every time we cook a meal in our house for >> 30 minutes, the energy usage is split 4 ways as it's cooked for four >> people. Same with lighting, heating etc etc. >> > But since there is 4 times more food it will consume more energy to > heat up and cook. Also you no doubt eat meat which is wasteful on > energy to produce.

You're making Conors point for him - yes, it WILL consume more energy overall, but the division means that each person uses less! And again, if he eats meat he's making a choice similar to yours with communal living, and is STILL coming out with lower figures than you.

>> And considering even with the current prices, our annual gas and >> electricity bills are under £780 a year which is then split four ways, >> you're going to have to virtually live in the dark with no heating to >> match me. >> > You are wrong. I can live quite comfortably while spending less. >> Somehow I doubt your annual combined gas and electricity bills come to >> under £195. >> > My monthly direct debit is £19 = £228 and I am currently £170 in > credit. You are going to have to try much harder.

I know maths isn't your strong point Duhg but he doesn't have to try at all harder - £228 is actually greater than £195. Unless you built up your credit over a period of less than five months, of course.

>> And that's even before we start going into the shopping where your food >> travels far more than mine does. >> > Wrong again. Firstly you are bound to use some imported food, > especially in winter, and secondly... > Duhg, you lost. Again. For once in your miserable pathetic existence, develop sufficient cojones to admit it. You'll feel better for it, promise.