Nuxx:Eb9ef00f-2dda-4e07-ac53-609369062b6a@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com

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On Jun 8, 8:10=A0pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?"  wrote: > On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 10:48:48 -0700 (PDT), Nuxx Bar >  said in > <792b3fe2-f375-446e-9e13-3282d9d73...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>: > > >Every 8 hours, someone dies because of speed cameras > > Really? =A0According to what credible peer-reviewed evidence?

How can you tell when one of the trolls has no way of refuting the evidence of their opponent(s)? They start whittering on about "peer review". Strange that they don't seem to worry about peer review when someone (say Brake, or the government, or the owner of the pretentiously named Crapman Central) makes the case *for* speed cameras.

We all know that the trolls just use "peer review" as a rather pathetic stick to beat Safe Speed with, because it's the only stick they can find. Personally I wish they'd do something else with that stick instead (which would have the added bonus of meaning that the trolls could no longer talk).

As Paul frequently said, in such simple terms that even the trolls could understand it, anyone on the Internet could have reviewed his pages, and if anyone had properly refuted them (as opposed to coming up with flawed, agenda-driven, anti-car bollocks like Crapman did), Paul would have made the relevant corrections. But no-one ever did. The trolls know that perfectly well, but they pretend not to, because they'd rather carry on with the "peer review" accusations no matter how irrelevant they are to the overall debate. A principle part of the trolls' "debating" technique is to pretend not to understand things which they find inconvenient.

So, that's established then. Every time a troll says that Safe Speed isn't peer reviewed, they're actually saying "I've lost the argument and the 'peer reviewed' stuff is just sour grapes".

> Anyway, you've been had. =A0The petition is a joke, and the joke is on > you.

Which is why I said "Someone apart from me appears to be laughing at the car-hating trolls". I can see a joke for what it is, which is why I don't take you at all seriously (and just as well really).

Anyway, Spindrift's signed the petition! Since you lot worship him, doesn't that mean that you all have to sign it as well? If you don't then he might run you over on his non-existent bicycle.