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On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:51:19 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"  wrote:

>Plonk nym-shifting fuckwit. Bye, nuxxy.

Scared of losing? I understand.

No wonder you've been banned from Wikipedia and every cycling-related forum that you've set foot on. You simply *will not* enter into a proper debate on the politics of road safety, because you know you don't have the truth on your side. Instead, you're content to sling mud in front of your anti-motorist admirers, while evading all the nasty difficult points which you don't have an answer to, and referring to the people who make them as "trolls".

I feel really sorry for your kids. They're going to grow up thinking that if they know they can't win an argument, the most appropriate thing to do is to ignore the points they can't answer and insult their opponent, rather than gracefully conceding defeat. They're also going to think that if anyone disagrees with them about anything, the best response is to sneer at that person, attempt to belittle them in front of everyone else, and ignore what they're saying, rather than taking them aside and having a sensible, grown-up debate.

Pathetic. I'm sure everyone has taken note of the fact that you've shied away from a proper, substantive debate, in the same way that countless spineless pro-camera people who knew they didn't have a leg to stand on refused point blank to debate the subject with Paul Smith on air. All you've done by responding like this is to remove the last traces of doubt from my mind that you know that cameras kill people, you only support them because you're anti-motorist, and therefore you are a MURDERER BY PROXY (as well as a barefaced liar, and if you so audaciously lie about being anti-motorist, what else are you lying to us all about?)

So, I ask Chapman if we can have a proper discussion, and he insults me. Yet *I'm* referred to as the "troll". How many trolls have you seen that want to take a debate to email? Yet more proof that "troll" when used by urc regulars simply means "anti-camera poster". Anyone who was objective and didn't have an anti-motorist agenda would see Crapman as the troll. He's the one who insists on "performing" in front of a group and won't answer certain points. He's the one who only pretends to be interested in debate. "Arch-fuckwit" indeed.

Why did I bother asking him in the first place, when he was so certain to wimp out, and anyway he'd still have been just as evasive even by email? Fair point, but at least this way, it's on record that he's too frightened of losing to have a real discussion. It's *yet another* post of his which shows how anti-motorist he is. There can be no other logical conclusion when you see what he's written over the years.

Guy J Chapman: a bad man. Let's hope he tops himself sometime soon.