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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <5f8a1e5f-b4fb-4f70-8d8a-1df2aa0faa13@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Amazing Prediction Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:13:57 -0700 (PDT) References: <90a40185-1d68-4988-87c1-c4c863e04b55@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>  <5caef48c-5b48-4633-9327-eefead22f95e@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>  Lines: 93 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.105.217.66 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1212416037 5654 127.0.0.1 (2 Jun 2008 14:13:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=88.105.217.66; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008051206 Firefox/3.0,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 6701 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:651654

On Jun 2, 10:04=A0am, "Just zis Guy, you know?"  wrote: > On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 19:17:37 -0700 (PDT), Nuxx Bar >  said in > <5caef48c-5b48-4633-9327-eefead22f...@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>: > > >LOL! =A0PKB. =A0I see that you haven't denied that my predictions are > >true, so it looks like I've been proved right about you yet again. > >You don't like being exposed as a motorist-hating cunt, do you? > > I wouldn't know, since nobody has ever exposed me as a > motorist-hating anything. =A0We're well aware that in your own > "special" world anything less than 100% uncritical adulation for > everything related to motoring counts as "motorist-hating", but > that's a definition not shared by anybody sane, as far as I'm aware.

Ah, the standard "defence" of the closet motorist-hater who supports every anti-motorist measure. "You expect me to be 100% uncritical of cars". No, just 1% would be nice. See the difference? Of course you do. Yet again, Crapman attempts (and fails miserably) to use disingenuous, dishonest tactics in order to hide his rabid anti-car agenda. (And that "defence" has been used by your ilk before...you're not half as original or clever as you think you are, I'm afraid.)

> I know you hate me

How did you guess?

That really was a load of pompous twaddle, even for you. If you really thought that Paul Smith was so barking, and so wrong about cameras, you wouldn't have bothered "disproving" his analysis, and you wouldn't have bothered attempting (and failing) to out-debate him on usenet. You wouldn't even know who he was, and you wouldn't have paid anything much in the way of attention to his arguments. But you knew he was right about cameras, and you didn't like him being regularly quoted in the national press (unlike, say, you or your fellow trolls...it's so easy to snipe from the sidelines, isn't it?) You hated the idea of him propagating the truth about cameras, because it threatened your nasty little anti-motorist agenda.

You were very happy with cameras, and the resultant mass-prosecution of normal, decent motorists. You knew they killed people, but hey, it was worth it to force the motorist scum off the roads. And the great thing was that none of the media had cottoned on to the fact that cameras didn't work. "Great," thought Crapman the Murderer, "All that has to happen is for this to continue, with more and more cameras and more and more prosecutions, and I'll have my motorist-free paradise". But then, in 2001, disaster! Paul Smith comes along, and oh shit, he's figured out the truth about cameras, and he's getting quoted more and more! People are finding out that cameras don't work! The motorist-free paradise is under threat! Better be a complete fuckwit towards Paul; better use any tactics, no matter how dirty, to discredit him. Better do anything we can to try to get round the fact that he's got the truth on his side. Safe Speed must be stopped! Motorists must be eliminated! Road users must die! Cameras must proliferate!

But unfortunately for you, the truth has a funny way of coming out, and you know really that the debate on cameras has been won. You know that Paul made all the difference in countless different ways, many of which he came up with himself (and he may not "own" RTTM, but he blew the whistle on the camera partnerships' FRAUDULENT neglect of it...if you've always known about RTTM, why have you been so happy for such fraud to take place?) You know that cameras' days are numbered. You know that cameras would have continued to proliferate, as they had done until a couple of years ago, if all was well with them. You know that the funding change will ultimately spell the death of cameras, and that it's already resulted in a distinct lack of enthusiasm from partnerships. You know that motorists aren't going to be forced off the roads, and they're fed up with being clobbered by the government. You know that cameras will fade away into the background, because for every year that road deaths refuse to fall as they should, they get harder and harder to defend. Cameras are on their way out. For goodness' sake get over it.

Since you know that cameras are going anyway, and you'll have to find another way to force motorists off the road, how about doing a favour to those people who haven't DIED because of cameras yet, and campaigning for the removal of the fucking things? Oh sorry, I forgot. You don't have a conscience.

You're never going to achieve your motorist-free paradise until people have another way of getting around which is just as convenient, and that's the way it should be. I really think that you should start campaigning for something else: something worthy and positive, that you can actually admit to supporting. Being anti-motorist is one thing, but the denial that accompanies it is singularly pathetic. Time to stop the lies please. Time to admit that Paul was right and apologise to him and Safe Speed. I honestly think you'd feel better for it, even without a conscience, because it must be very stressful and difficult juggling all the lies that you tell.

Time for the truth. Time to admit you're wrong about cameras. Congratulations in advance for biting the bullet.