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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!62g2000hsn.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Reasonable? Necessary? You Decide Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:40:49 -0800 (PST) References: <6ea8bd3b-ff2f-4227-98f7-a5e457545b20@u69g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <62bl7rF22ueorU1@mid.individual.net> <62bq2sF22puh2U1@mid.individual.net>  <200dcdc1-41a8-468c-a528-00f31f7c110c@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>  Lines: 76 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.211.165.120 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1203972049 6705 127.0.0.1 (25 Feb 2008 20:40:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 62g2000hsn.googlegroups.com; posting-host=85.211.165.120; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; rv:1.8.1.12) Gecko/20080201 Firefox/2.0.0.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 5760 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:641797

On Feb 25, 3:28 pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?"  wrote: > On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:29:32 -0800 (PST), Nuxx Bar >  said in > <200dcdc1-41a8-468c-a528-00f31f7c1...@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>: > > >Not that such a ridiculous sweeping statement is because you hate > >drivers or anything. > > No, indeed not, how perceptive of you to notice that I don't hate > drivers. It would be a bit problematic if I did, since I am one.

I'll say it yet again. That doesn't mean you don't hate motorists, it just makes you a fucking dirty hypocrite. Most car-hating Labour MPs are conveyed in nice motors. Even Monbigot has one now. Since the whole car-hating thing is so illlogical in the first place, it hardly makes a difference what mode of transport the car-hater happens to use. And often, they are so arrogant as to think that their car use is more necessary than other people's, and/or they're a safer driver than everyone else.

Let's see how many minutes it is until the next motorist-hater bleats "But I drive so I don't hate cars".

> I do, however, reserve undisguised contempt for the self-deluding > stupid, and the most stupid and self-deluding example I can think of > right now was Paul Smith.

Here we go again. What you don't seem to understand is that every time you insult Paul Smith it just shows that your intentions are far from honourable.

If you really wanted to save lives as you claimed, you would recognise that Paul genuinely wanted to save lives as well, and respect him for that, even if you disagreed with him. Also, he said plenty of other sensible things which were not connected with cameras or speed limits, and you must have agreed with some of them. Yet you never ever said so. How can that possibly help the road safety debate? You should evaluate assertions according to what they are, not who made them. The topic is far too important for such petulant idiocy,

The fact that you and your ilk are so unrelentingly disparaging towards Paul, even now, shows that saving lives cannot really be your priority, otherwise you would have recognised that you and Paul were on the same side, trying to achieve the same thing, and that working with him rather than against him was the best policy. So, if saving lives isn't your aim, it must be something else: something emotional, something illogical, something that you know can't be defended. Something that could result in your ultra-belligerence towards Paul. Hatred of motorists fits the bill far better than anything else. Speed cameras are a wonderfully effective and economical way of persecuting every single motorist, since every single motorist speeds. What could be better than a saturation of cameras? No wonder you're so in favour of them, and no wonder you're so incredibly unpleasant towards anyone who dares to claim (rightly) that they're not saving lives, even when it is obvious that (unlike you) they have the very noblest of intentions. You know that ultimately you won't be able to fight off camera opposers with facts and figures, so if you can scare them off with your fuckwittery, then so much the better. You may think "If only cameras worked, motorists would have to put up with them forever". But they *don't* work. You've got to stop pretending that they do just because you wanted them to, however much you wanted them to. People's *lives* are at stake here.

It's lucky God doesn't exist, otherwise He'd be very, very cross with the likes of you. You're knowingly advocating measures which are causing road deaths, and that's not very nice to say the least. Hang your heads in shame, all you trolls. It's incredibly selfish, monstrous in fact, to put anything above saving lives, let alone something as trivial and unnecessary as your silly ideological hatred of motorists. Get a sense of proportion, for heaven's sake. Everyone is going to realise the truth about cameras sooner or later, so why not save a few thousand lives, cut to the chase and admit that they're just making things worse? Or are you just too proud and too caught up in your warped agenda? It's a shame. It's the victims' families that I feel really sorry for. You trolls really are a bunch of callous, hateful bastards.