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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nx01.iad.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!83.128.0.11.MISMATCH!news-out1.kabelfoon.nl!newsfeed.kabelfoon.nl!bandi.nntp.kabelfoon.nl!feeder.news-service.com!69.16.177.246.MISMATCH!cyclone03.ams.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!npeersf01.ams.highwinds-media.com!newsfe13.ams2.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail Message-ID: <2Oz3l.39883$_I1.28296@newsfe13.ams2> From: _  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Troll Drawings Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:53:33 +0000 References:  <29c7bb99470c4149c487919bdf9e975b@pseudo.borked.net> <%nP1l.2627$tp1.69@newsfe19.ams2>       <222sk4106tmg9itd87v7v7072bm1m2lb72@4ax.com>         Lines: 74 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <slrngktem0.hg7.ian@acheron.astounding.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.21.204.127 X-Complaints-To: http://netreport.virginmedia.com X-Trace: newsfe13.ams2 1229900030 82.21.204.127 (Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:53:50 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:53:50 UTC Organization: virginmedia.com Bytes: 5466 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:681560

Ian Smith wrote: > On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:56:24 +0000, _ <whos@prettyboy.com> wrote: >> Ian Smith wrote: >>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:38:45 +0000, _ <whos@prettyboy.com> wrote: >>>> Ian Smith wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:08:12 +0000, _ <whos@prettyboy.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I've no doubt that has translated into giving cyclists less >>>>>> consideration when I come across them on the roads. >>>>> So you're saying you are deliberately causing more danger to all >>>>> cyclists because you disagree with how some of them have said some >>>>> things. Do you think this revelation makes people think better of >>>>> you? >>>>> >>>> I think your childish comment pretty much typifies what I was saying, >>>> dont you? What a bunch of fuckwits... >>> So just what did you mean, if not that you are knowingly exposing all >>> cyclists you meet to increased danger because you disagree with how >>> some cyclists have said some things? What other possible >>> interpretation is there to what you said? Please do explain. >>> >> I think I made myself perfectly clear. The animosity displayed by >> cyclists in this newsgroup coupled with deliberately confrontational >> terms like 'cager' *does* lead to lessened compassion from drivers to >>  vulnerable cyclists. > > So you *are* knowingly causing more danger to cyclists you meet > because you don't like how *some* cyclists talk to you. Then you have > the gall to suggest this demonstrates the immaturity of the > *cyclists*! > Where did I say I was knowingly causing more danger? Ooops, sorry, I didn't. Still, nice attempt there on your part. I used to be quite considerate of cyclists, but now its fuck 'em. As ever, though, you want to endanger yourself and then demand that others give you special consideration because you're so vulnerable to cars. Well, hey, here's a thought - stop deliberately pissing off the very people you want to be nice to you.

My everyday car is a two-tonne Landrover. Even my 'toys' are massively heavier, more solid, more protective of the occupant, etc etc. Like every other 'cager', I'm less vulnerable than you are. Surely even someone as dense as you can accept that. And yet for some reason you halfwits persist in antagonising people who are so much less likely to be harmed in an incident between them and a bike. So, Yes. It most definitely *is* immature of cyclists to 'taunt' car drivers, because sooner or later they're going to get hit by one.

>> Now you can crow all you want that this is a damning indictment of >>  drivers, but if you had a sodding ounce of sense you'd see that >> you're putting yourselves in an ever-more vulnerable position. > > Nonsense. I'm doing no such thing. It's *entirely* outside my > control either what other cyclists say, or how *you* *choose* to react > to it. > >> Rather than whine that car drivers are uncaring, > > I don't recall ever doing that. Perhaps you would provide some > evidence of where I have done such a thing? > >> your prejudices simply want to say that car drivers must be >>  bastards. > > I don't recall ever doing that. Perhaps you would provide some > evidence of where I have done such a thing? > > Oh dear. It couldn't be that perhaps *you* are exhibiting any > prejudice or unreasonable response, could it? > Try taking your blinkers off for a second. I was addressing the *group*, not individuals within it. And no, no prejudice when I first visited. By all means check back to those posts for reference if you wish to dispute that...