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On Jan 30, 5:54=A0pm, _  wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:20:48 +0000, richard wells wrote: > > > If they don't detect bikes =A0- does that mean there is something wrong > > with the lights/detectors? > > Sefton Council says yes: > > http://www.sefton.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=3D2781 > > as does Plymouth: > > http://www.plymouth.gov.uk/trafficsignalsfaq#waiting > > and Hants: > > http://www3.hants.gov.uk/roads/highway-information/traffic-lights/tra... > > see also this report from the ITE journal: > > http://www.allbusiness.com/electronics/transportation-electronics-tra... > > and there is the MOVA Traffic Control Manual which states that an > undetected bicycle can be "...a serious problem."

The car-hating trolls here think that there shouldn't be traffic- actuated lights anyway. They want fixed-time lights (and plenty of them) so that motorists get held up unnecessarily when nothing's coming the other way, and they like them to be synched so that motorists have to stop at every set (just like that not-at-all-anti- motorist wanker Livingstone liked to do). As far as the trolls are concerned, cyclists need not worry about red lights, as they can just treat them as "give way" lines.

Unfortunately, that's all completely true, not that the trolls like it to be known (so no wonder they don't like people coming onto "their" newsgroup and saying things like that).