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On Aug 1, 12:48=A0pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?"  wrote: > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 04:43:01 -0700 (PDT), Nuxx Bar > >  wrote: > >Hallelujah. =A0A urc denizen actually admitting that they were wrong, > >and even deigning to apologise. =A0Now we just need Crapman to do the > >same regarding his accusations about me using other people's words. > >And while we're at it, he can finally admit the bleeding obvious: that > >his sole reason for supporting cameras is that he wants motorists off > >the road, and he wants motorists off the road because he HATES THEM. > > Motor cars pollute, they kill, they intimidate, and they're noisy. > They're facts with which no-one can argue. =A0Given those facts, it > would surely be better for society if as many motorists as possible > changed to other modes of transport. =A0So if speed cameras do encourage > motorists to switch to other modes of transport, I don't think that's > a bad thing. =A0Even if speed cameras did kill people (which they > don't), they would have to kill a large number to outweigh the lives > that they saved by encouraging motorists to use other, less dangerous, > less selfish modes of transport. > > Since Nuxx Bar claims that anyone who isn't implacably opposed to > speed cameras is "anti-motorist", he will no doubt say the same thing > about me in reply to this. =A0But I'm not anti-motorist, I'm just > anti-deaths, and if speed cameras make things unpleasant enough for > motorists that they use other modes of transport instead, that's great > news. =A0If I do have an agenda against motorists, it's only because I > recognise that fewer motorists equals fewer deaths. =A0Only a deranged > mind like Nuxx Bar's could conclude from that that I was a > "motorist-hater" or a mass murderer.

Excellent! We're finally getting somewhere! At last, we've got an admission that Crapman has an agenda against motorists, and wants them off the road. Now we just have to get him to admit that he couldn't give a stuff about saving people's lives, and his "agenda against motorists" is actually about socialism and control.