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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!tudelft.nl!txtfeed1.tudelft.nl!feeder.news-service.com!cyclone03.ams2.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!npeersf02.ams.highwinds-media.com!newsfe30.ams2.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail Message-ID: <0VMwl.87955$C87.1014@newsfe30.ams2> From: _  Newsgroups: uk.legal,uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Cyclists going through red traffic lights Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:31:20 +0000 References: <72h0pkFpshmdU1@mid.individual.net> <81da1a72-951c-4473-99db-d16f48840e19@s20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <48101252-097c-402c-be0c-45c6d0fc5a33@e18g2000yqo.googlegroups.com> <_kLwl.1321$OO7.1308@text.news.virginmedia.com> Lines: 38 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <_kLwl.1321$OO7.1308@text.news.virginmedia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 86.12.82.202 X-Complaints-To: http://netreport.virginmedia.com X-Trace: newsfe30.ams2 1237555900 86.12.82.202 (Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:31:40 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:31:40 UTC Organization: virginmedia.com Bytes: 2981 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:690271

Bartc wrote: > friendsofderek@googlemail.com wrote: >> On 20 Mar, 08:20, Doug  wrote: >>> On 20 Mar, 08:00, "Iain"  wrote:> I have just walked >>> back from the shops. >>> >>>> As I was going, I came to the traffic lights just by Willesden bus >>>> garage. Two sets were red. From each of these sets, a cyclist went >>>> straight through them. >>> >>>> As I was returning, past the same set of lights, I saw I cyclist >>>> waiting for the lights to turn green. I felt like giving him one of >>>> my oranges! >>> >>>> Can the cycling community not do something to dissuade these people >>>> from jumping the lights? It certainly causes frustration from >>>> drivers who have to so frequently watch this deliberate flaunting >>>> of the law, and continues to give cyclists such a poor name - >>>> certainly within London. >>> >>> In London cars can frequently be observed going through red lights >>> too >>> and they are much more dangerous than cycles. So, your point? >> >> Neither should be doing it... And those who do should be punished. >> There its not a difficult concept for you to grasp is it? > > If you were a cyclist, getting up a good speed downhill to carry you up > the next hill, and there were red lights for a pelican crossing right at > the bottom but you could see the pedestrians involved (if any) have long > since crossed, what would /you/ do? > > Would you really be silly enough to stop, while all your mates are > sailing through? > I regularly drive a Morris Minor. *Any* momentum is very hard won and only grudgingly conceded. On that same hill, can *I* sail through the lights as well?