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On Jun 12, 11:43=A0pm, "OG"  wrote: > > I've no doubt that this is a sincerely held belief of yours. Shame you ca= n't > actually provide evidence to support it.

...and if he did, you'd still argue the toss, because you've decided (for whatever reason*) that an obsession with drivers' numerical speed is A Good Thing, and so you're utterly unprepared to entertain any arguments to the contrary, however watertight they are. Just like hundreds of others on this group.

If someone came along and provided complete, 100% proof that lowering speed limits and putting up speed cameras made things more, rather than less, dangerous, then no more than a handful of pro-camera people on this group would admit that they were wrong. Unfortunately a complete unwillingness to consider things logically and dispassionately goes hand in hand with a support of cameras. You can't undo an incorrect opinion with logic and reason when it's based on emotion, wishful thinking and/or idiocy.

-- righteousness, a very simplistic view of driving and road safety, general ignorance, or something else along those lines.
 * e.g. a hatred of motorists, a wish to control others, general self-