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On Jul 23, 12:57=A0pm, N Ron Hubbard  wrote: > Nuxx Bar wrote: > > > If I were a keen cyclist then I would *hate* that my hobby was being > > So you admit that you have no interest in cycling?

I used to cycle, but I don't anymore, because I have a proper, grown- up form of transport called a car. However, if other people want to play with their toys and call them proper transport then that's entirely up to them. It's a free country.

> You're at least as much of a cyclist-hater as you > accuse other people of being motorist-haters.

I vehemently object to that. If I hated cyclists in the same way that many here hate motorists, I would advocate anti-cyclist measures in the full knowledge that they *didn't* improve safety, in exactly the same way that some people here do with anti-motorist measures like speed cameras. But I don't; I have absolutely no desire to. I'm a libertarian and I abhor interferers. Live and let live; I have no wish to spite other road users just so I can have some perverted smug sense of satisfaction from doing so, and I can't imagine why anyone else would. Why not concentrate on improving your own lot instead of being more concerned about making other people's lives a misery? How fucked up is such an attitude?

I am *always* courteous to cyclists, though sometimes I wonder why I bother when some of them are arseholes towards me and other drivers just because we're in cars. Why can't they just be civilised instead of constantly trying to punish people for their choice of transport? What the hell is their problem?

> (And you never answered my question about the actual > means you claim speed cameras cause deaths.)

I must have missed or forgotten about it among the avalanche of agenda- driven, disingenuous anti-motorist bollocks flying around here. Please repeat it and I'll try to answer it (although I doubt you'll ever be satisfied no matter what answer I give...can you honestly see yourself ever not supporting cameras, no matter how good a case someone makes against them?) And presumably you'll then be happy to answer one of my questions.