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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!novia!news.netcologne.de!newsfeed-fusi2.netcologne.de!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!newsfeed0.kamp.net!newsfeed.kamp.net!feeder.news-service.com!69.16.177.246.MISMATCH!cyclone03.ams2.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!npeersf02.ams.highwinds-media.com!newsfe25.ams2.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: _  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: spindthrift - magnatom antics Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:50:09 +0000 References:   	  	<2d97dc31-fadb-4c58-a330-ea39e8e04c52@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com> 	  Lines: 68 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To:  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.21.204.127 X-Complaints-To: http://netreport.virginmedia.com X-Trace: newsfe25.ams2 1233672624 82.21.204.127 (Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:50:24 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:50:24 UTC Organization: virginmedia.com Bytes: 4951 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:684880

spindrift wrote: > On Feb 3, 2:32 am, JNugent  wrote: >> james.an...@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Feb 3, 8:26 pm, JNugent  wrote: >>>> JNugent wrote: >>>>> AndyC wrote: >>>>>> "relevant"  wrote: >>>>>>> Here is a letter I have sent - perhaps a few more on similar lines >>>>>> [big snip] >>>>>> I notice on this one: >>>>>> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7drPCPfWCIQ >>>>>> He admits to his mistake of not using the whole lane to overtake, but >>>>>> he misses the fact that he overtook a car that was indicating to >>>>>> change lane. While that is commonly done by aggressive drivers, if you >>>>>> do that on two wheels it is suicidal. >>>>>> If you are going to overtake a car that is already indicating, whether >>>>>> stationary or not, you do so at your own peril. Rights of way are >>>>>> meaningless when you are dead. >>>>> In his video "Undertaking On A Roundabout", the same poster castigates a >>>>> car-driver who passes him on the nearside on a large roundabout. The >>>>> roundabout seems to be the one seen in the video referenced in the OP >>>>> and the cyclist is way over to the offside, hard up against the island >>>>> (incidentally passing over a distinctive hatched-off area). >>>>> Perhaps he thinks that it is unlawful to pass on the nearside on a >>>>> roundabout (it isn't). And if one really objects to being "undertaken", >>>>> perhaps it'd be btter not to hog the offside edge of the one-way stretch >>>>> of road which is the carriageway of a large roundabout. >>>> Another of his videos ("White van-driver teaches me a lesson") appears to be >>>> functionally identical to the one involving the private hire car - recorded >>>> over the same route, in the same sort of conditions and almost at the same spot. >>>> Different motor vehicle, different driver, same cyclist. >>>> Anyone spot a pattern here? >>> Can you suggest any faults in his cycling in that video? (Apart from >>> maybe going into a hatched area on the roundabout.) >>> James >> Oh yes, easily. >> >> Hogging the road by riding too far right on the roundabout is an obvious one >> (if there is room to be undertaken, he's too far to the right - and the >> evidence suggests that he does it repeatedly, deliberately and provocatively). >> >> Likewise, he rides a long way out from the kerb (again, repeatedly) in a >> place where he must know by now that people in faster vehicles will wish to >> overtake him. Aggain, the evidebnce suggests that he does it deliberately and >> provocatively as part of his constant seeking of confrontation and trouble. >> >> But I'm not the first to suggest that. >> >> It isn't up to him to provide driving tuition.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Out of interest, what lane would you take whilst cycling if you want > the third or fourth exit on a roundabout? > The same one I'd use if I were in a car. But then, I wouldn't get out of my pram because another vehicle 'overtook' on the inside. There's absolutely no sodding reason why not, especially since the vehicle on the inside is likely to be leaving the roundabout and so is on a straight course while whatever you're driving is still navigating a tight bend!

> If you feel magan ought not be on the inside, presumably you'd cycle > around the edge of the roundabout in the left hand lane. > > Good luck with that!

Whats that got to do with him riding across the hatching?