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On May 12, 4:54=A0am, Alex Potter  wrote: > Clive wrote in  : > > > The problem here is simple, the traffic joining the main carriageway > > have to get up to the speed of the traffic flow and a slow moving > > cyclist makes that next to impossible. > > Not so. A competent driver joining via a slip road will so adjust his > speed that, as he arrives at the main carriageway, there is a space for > him to move into.

The "Cyclists should never be prevented from doing anything, even when doing so is perfectly sensible and required for safety, because they're using a morally superior form of transport" rubbish that we get regularly on URC has been taken to new levels of absurdity in this topic.

Unfortunately the car-haters and other speed zealots will never admit that plonking slow cyclists on a fast dual carriageway is dangerous, no matter how obvious it is, because it puts a rather large and embarrassing dent in the oh-so-simplistic "Slower is always safer, and faster is always more dangerous, no matter what" nonsense which underpins most of the currently used "safety"-related anti-motorist measures.

Actually, pretty much everything that the members of the clique say about road politics has one or more of these fallacies at its core: "Cyclists should never be prevented from doing anything because they're morally superior", its flipside "Motorists should be heavily punished for everything because they're morally inferior", and "Slower is always safer". No wonder they hate people coming on here and disproving those assertions, because by doing so one disproves pretty much their entire bollocks-ridden output.

Perhaps it's really time they started basing what they said on truth and fact, instead of constantly talking agenda-driven shit and then shooting the messengers (sorry, "trolls") who dare to point that out.