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On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:53:14 +0100, "Simon Mason"  wrote:

> >"_"  wrote in message >news:g9q9f4hjk5eljcdn1k2qnbu9tvtl8uuqah@4ax.com... >> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:31:47 +0100, "S Mason" >>  wrote: >> >>>Do thick people support cameras in stores and supermarkets to catch >>>shoplifters? >> >> Still on "speeders = shoplifters" are we? You know perfectly well >> that they're nothing like each other, and pretending otherwise just >> reflects badly on you. > >People breaking the law caught by a camera - it's entirely the same thing.

Oh really? So if you were being driven by a good friend of yours, and they drove at 35 in a 30 which used to be NSL, you would be just as disgusted with them as if you saw them nicking some batteries from a shop?

Which "offence" do you think the local vicar would be more likely to commit? How about a police officer? A high court judge? A headmaster? Which "offence" would shock the local community, and which would make them shrug? Which is the technical, numerical "offence" which decent people commit all the time, and which is the dishonest offence which decent people neither commit nor accept others committing?

If you genuinely think that both acts are the same, you're insane, and it worries me that someone couold be so brainwashed by self-serving government dogma. Shoplifting harms the public by putting up prices. Where is your evidence that exceeding an arbitrary speed limit (which is of course completely different to driving too fast) harms anyone in itself? Have you ever actually heard of or read about an accident caused by a driver who was exceeding a speed limit and otherwise driving completely legally and safely? If not, why do you think that might be?

Now please, stop being silly and admit that you know that the two things are nothing like each other. If you feel the need to steadfastly ignore what common sense tells you and make ridiculous statements like "speeding = shoplifting" in order to make your point, that point is almost certainly not worth making. I dare you to stand up in a pub and say "Speeding if the same as shoplifting". You won't, because you know that you'd be ridiculed, despised and comprehensively outdebated if you did.

Have you ever questioned "speed kills" policy? Have you ever looked into the facts to ascertain whether exceeding the speed limit is actually "dangerous"? Or has it always just been "obvious" to you? Can you actually demonstrate how someone who was speeding, but not going too fast for the conditions, could cause an accident with their speed? Do you even acknowledge that there's a difference between speeding and going too fast for the conditions? All questions that no camera advocate ever dares to answer, because they know they can't. So if you know you can't answer such questions, why do you still support cameras? I accept that you're not a motorist-hating scumbag like many here, so is it control or what? So many times I've wondered exactly why people like you are so attached to the idea that the speed limit is so important, and why you won't listen to reason. I'm beginning to think that I'll never find out. A shame.