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On Jul 10, 7:24 pm, jms  wrote: > On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:34:49 -0700 (PDT), James  > wrote: > > > > >On Jul 8, 7:48 pm, Ian Jackson  > >wrote: > > >> We will not permit any crossposting between urcm and > >> motorist and motorcyclist groups. > > >Um.....are you sure? > > >AIUI, after much debate about whether no crossposting was actually a > >feasible or necessary step, the decision was to allow crossposting. > > >But now you are saying that crossposting to certain groups will be > >banned? Can you clarify which groups are on the blacklist (at least, > >your current hypothetical blacklist)? > > >urc added back in, as I think even people who have stopped following > >the residual trolling may be interested in this. > > >James > > This is precisely the confusion that has so riffled this discussion. > > You are trying to tie Jackson down as to what is and what is not going > to be permitted. > > He is unwilling to leave things vague so that he (and his hand-picked > team of little helpers) will be able to do precisely what they want. > > I believe that censorship could be the term.

Yes (assuming you meant "wants to leave things vague"). There will actually, of course, be a fairly precise set of rules, but they'll be secret rules that we're not allowed to see. This classified document will specify, among other things, exactly which opinions are allowed and which aren't (and will also contain a list of excuses which can be used to block posts containing "undesirable" opinions). I'm sure they'll be a lot of other "controversial" stuff in there as well.

It may well be that the document in question is only currently known about by Jackson, and perhaps one or two other people that he knows he can trust to keep the shocking deceit under wraps. Presumably they're planning to let the other "moderators" in on it once the new group is up and running, when it's too late for any of them to spoil things by making details of the Secret Document public. It's very important at this stage to hoodwink people into voting for the new group, using whatever tactics are necessary, no matter how despicable they may be.

I would guess that if any of the "moderators" are anything but in favour of the Secret Document, Jackson will ensure that they're removed as "moderators", since such dissent is unacceptable. The "moderators" must realise that their job involves two main tasks: censoring the wrong opinions (while lying about doing so), and doing what Jackson says without question.