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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!j18g2000yql.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <1c6df2c2-3621-4e00-918c-fe41db20fb2c@j18g2000yql.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Pre-RFD: uk.rec.cycling.moderated Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:13:02 -0700 (PDT) References: <2lc*4xWHs@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> <784aj1F1j3r9uU1@mid.individual.net> <57bbb322-a374-4d35-99bd-717a62887981@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com>  Lines: 43 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.156.251.27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1243476782 1668 127.0.0.1 (28 May 2009 02:13:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 02:13:02 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j18g2000yql.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.156.251.27; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042316 Firefox/3.0.10 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 3544 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:704774

On May 28, 1:08=A0am, Tom Crispin  wrote: > On Wed, 27 May 2009 15:25:15 -0700 (PDT), James > >  wrote: > >On May 27, 5:06=A0pm, Matt B  wrote: > > >> I think that those who have openly claimed to have used kill-files in > >> the past as a means of attempting to suppress the views and opinions o= f > >> those with whom they disagree should be automatically debarred from > >> becoming moderators. > > >I think that is a plainly silly suggestion. Kill-files are a widely- > >used and recommended solution to not reading stuff one does not want > >to. No views are "suppressed" by them. > > I agree with you. =A0Killfiles are a tool of choice. =A0But that should > not be a choice that a moderator should have. =A0Posts should be allowed > of disallowed on content alone, and the use of a killfile will prevent > a moderator from making the decision on content.

Very well said. The fact that Jackson appears so reluctant to do this causes me to question his motives for creating the moderated group. I think he simply wishes to use it as a way of getting rid of posters whose opinions he doesn't like. But that's not moderation, that's just censorship. By claiming that he wants a moderated group when he really wants nothing of the kind, he's wasting everyone's time.

I don't think he and his ilk have really thought this through. They saw "moderation" as a means of banning those with the "wrong" opinions, but of course irritating things like fairness, and requirements to view all posts regardless of poster, moderate based on content, enforce the rules even-handedly, give everyone a say, etc are tripping them up. Damn fairness and even-handedness; why can't the "trolls" with the wrong opinions simply be given the boot in a biased and arbitrary way depending on what Ian Jackson thinks?

> Past use of a killfile should be no bar to being a moderator

It shouldn't be a bar, but it should be an indicator that they're probably not suitable (especially the ones who have killfiled people who've simply disagreed with them and not "trolled" in any way).