Nuxx:87e4cedc-d4e5-4f19-9618-3857560dcfb3@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com

Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <87e4cedc-d4e5-4f19-9618-3857560dcfb3@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Child Death In Redditch Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:28:53 -0700 (PDT) References:  <6fqmrfFcse6hU1@mid.individual.net> Lines: 55 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.105.129.172 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1217964533 24864 127.0.0.1 (5 Aug 2008 19:28:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=88.105.129.172; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008070208 Firefox/3.0.1,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 4254 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:660970

On Aug 5, 11:03=A0am, "Paul - xxx"  wrote: > Nuxx Bar wrote: > > An interesting message from elsewhere. > > You tried that a short while ago ... misrepresentation (forgery) is not > nice ... and makes you look like a complete fool.

1. The message I quoted was from someone (not me) on the ABD mailing list. I didn't initially mention that it was the ABD list as the trolls here have a prejudice against the ABD (which of course you would expect from anti-motorist types...and it is because they're anti- motorist, because when they were asked to justify their dislike of the ABD, they couldn't). There are missing apostrophes in that message. Is that something that you associate with my posts normally?

2. It wasn't forgery, as I explained in the thread concerned. The =46rom header and signature of Crapman's posts in no way say "I'm Guy Chapman, the motorist-hating cyclist from Reading", despite him calling other people "cowards" for not putting their real names anywhere in their posts. (If he'd put "Guy Chapman, Reading, UK" and "My Site Of Hate: http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk", it would have been harder for anyone else to justify using the same information.)

Furthermore, there is no proof that I posted that message. Do try to get your facts straight before you start making accusations. (Facts? Trolls? How silly of me.)

> I'd also suggest that you also lost, along the way, any vestige of a > shred of credibility you might have had left.

I don't *want* any credibility among trolls. Do you really think I would have come here with an attitude if I'd wanted to make friends here? I came here to remonstrate with the most renowned and despised motorist-haters on the Internet, since this is the only uncensored place where they hang out. Since they respond with hateful bile however polite their opponents are (look how they are towards the likes of JNugent and Matt B, and look how they were towards Paul Smith), I didn't see the slightest point in being polite to them. I find it much more fun to insult and irritate those who so richly deserve to be insulted and irritated.

> You have no arguments to debate, you only want to create tension and > strife between road users.

There's already tension and strife between me and motorist-hating extremists. But I absolutely don't want tension between road users. I want nothing more than to share the roads peacefully with everyone. It's Spindrift and co who keep demanding anti-motorist measures, such as speed cameras, despite them making the roads more dangerous. It's them who simply won't stop trying to make things worse for motorists. If all cyclists, including them, would just cooperate fully with all road users, on and off the roads, I would be ecstatic. I always try to help out other road users, and all I want is for *all* of them to be similarly helpful back, rather than being difficult just because I'm driving (like a very vocal minority tend to be).