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On May 25, 4:45=A0am, "Mr. Benn" <%%@%%.%> wrote: > Jim Newman  wrote in news:77tt2nF1jg3juU1 > @mid.individual.net: > > > > > Judith M Smith wrote: > >> On Sun, 24 May 2009 11:09:14 +0100, Marc > >>  wrote: > > >> > > >>> It means I have given your views the same consideration I would anyon= e > >>> that hasn't had any up to date training for 43 yrs, and realised wha= t > >>> you are. > > >> How many motorists have further training after passing their tests? > > > Interestingly, more and more motorists are being offered a session of > > 'further training' following an alleged speeding offence. > > > I went on one last week - it's scary how ignorant many people are about > > basic rules of the road. > > > At one point, someone on my table leant over and asked "What do they > > mean by National Speed Limit?", and that was a well educated > > professional person who does thousands of miles of work related driving > > each month. > > Drivers whould be made to re-sit driving exams every 5 years. =A0You're > right, many drivers have poor skills both practical and theoretical. =A0W= hen > you're in charge of a 1+ tonne lump of metal on the road, it is vital tha= t > you know the rules governing how to use it responsibly and effectively. = =A0 > There are far too many bad drivers out there. > > I am also strongly in favour of mandatory cyclist training if people want > to cycle on public roads. =A0There are far too many bad cyclists using pu= blic > roads who create a hazard not just for themselves but for other people.

Agreed in full (although I would have said 10 years for drivers). Some of the drivers and cyclists that you see are *so* underskilled and dangerous that there is *no way* that they'd pass a test without the further training that they so desperately need.

Of course, it would be nice if they got further training without being forced to, but clearly many don't have the basic courtesy or consideration to do so.