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Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!c9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <5e220bd4-ef83-4659-8dbd-12e83686fcbd@c9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Knockin' Noggins Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 04:48:39 -0700 (PDT) References:  <4e136306-44d0-4b0b-91f3-696247a48288@v17g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>   Lines: 50 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.156.251.27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1243079319 22508 127.0.0.1 (23 May 2009 11:48:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: c9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.156.251.27; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042316 Firefox/3.0.10 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 3418 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:703305

On May 16, 7:42=A0pm, Ian Smith  wrote: > On Sat, 16 May 2009 18:12:51 +0100, terryj  wrote: > > > >>> Nice work! > > >>> Try to knock more sense into > > >>> them for not wearing a helmet. > > >>> Your score 0 > > >> Words fail me. > > > > "Should you fall and hit the dirt, a helmet might prevent the hurt!" > > > > But just stay away from the road, it no longer belongs to you, > > > helmeted or otherwise. > > > > What a degenerate country we have become. > > > =A0I wonder why the kids in the crossing the road games are not told th= ey > > =A0must wear a helmet. They seem to be at considerable risk of a bump o= n > > =A0the head. > > The reply I got from the DfT suggests they should be - as defence of > the knockin noggins game, I was told "children in our sample groups > could recite 'stop, look, and listen' by rote but on further probing > seemed to lack a clear understanding of when or how to implement this > behaviour in a real life situation. Our research also indicated that > children of this age range wanted to understand the reasons for > needing to cross the road safely." > > This can only be relevant to my query about the knocking noggins game > if they think it is necessary to wear a helmet to cross the road > safely. =A0I have asked for the basis of this conclusion, and whether it > also applies to adults. > > The whole response was a garbled mess, actually. > > In defence of advocating cycle helmets, they cited all-modes child > injury statistics. =A0 > > They mix injury and fatality figures in pretty classic 'how to be > fraudulent with statistics' manner

So why do you put up with it when speed camera advocates do exactly the same thing? Why do you put up with it when they deliberately ignore RTTM, and commit other statistical frauds (which they do good thing even if they're killing people? That the fact that they bully motorists out of their cars "compensates" for that?  If so, why not just admit it?
 * constantly*)? Is it because you believe that cameras are *still* a