Nuxx:Ca05dec0-92a4-4d74-b01a-2c42988ecad1@u10g2000vbd.googlegroups.com

Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!u10g2000vbd.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID:  From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: OT: Impatient driver assists in suicide bid. Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 06:39:53 -0700 (PDT) References:   <4a190390$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com> Lines: 44 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.156.251.27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1243172393 18428 127.0.0.1 (24 May 2009 13:39:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: u10g2000vbd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=81.156.251.27; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042316 Firefox/3.0.10 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 3505 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:703616

On May 24, 9:21=A0am, Bod  wrote: > Nuxx Bar wrote: > > On May 23, 5:54 pm, "Simon Mason"  > > wrote: > >> Our bunch of cyclists has done the opposite on no fewer than 3 occasio= ns. > >> Last time, we spotted a female nurse with a load of kids toys waiting = to > >> jump off the Humber Bridge when we came back from winter training. We > >> managed to talk her down until her husband arrived. > > >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/5372890/Man-shov..= . > > > What is your point? =A0That drivers tend to be callous bastards, wherea= s > > cyclists tend to be helpful and decent, based on a statistical sample > > of precisely 4 incidents? > > > Mind you, I suppose camera supporters (at least those who really > > believe that they work) were never that great with statistics. > > > Oh, and it *is* selfish to hold up traffic (or trains) by attempting > > or committing suicide. =A0If someone wants to top themselves, there are > > plenty of ways to do it which don't involve holding up huge numbers of > > people. =A0I'm not excusing the actions of the attempted murderer (the > > one in the article, not Chapman, who's an actual murderer by proxy) > > for a second, but those who deliberately and needlessly hold up > > traffic or trains for whatever reason are fuckwits. > > They are also deeply disturbed(obviously),in that state they are not > thinking rationally.Do you really expect someone who is so desperate > that they are going to top theirself,that they would worry about > inconveniencing others?

Fair point I suppose, although I would imagine that those who are selfish when they're thinking rationally are also more likely to commit suicide in a selfish way than less generally selfish people. It's the same with drunkenness; only certain people become violent when they're drunk, and they are usually more predisposed to violence when they're not drunk as well (even if they normally hide it well). Drunkenness and irrational, desperate thinking do change people's behaviour, but there are still elements of their normal behaviour present.