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Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <31753335-f37c-48fb-aa0a-267d20cd26fb@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> From: Nuxx Bar  Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling Subject: Re: Please sign the bus lane petition. Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 19:03:03 -0700 (PDT) References:  <6a4l6nF35ncctU1@mid.individual.net> <2KWdnVknVf_9P6DVnZ2dneKdnZzinZ2d@posted.plusnet>  Lines: 77 Organization: http://groups.google.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.105.217.66 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1212372183 7579 127.0.0.1 (2 Jun 2008 02:03:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 02:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=88.105.217.66; posting-account=7_6kYAkAAABD6HrjM0VxehwvZOKMxm4g User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008051206 Firefox/3.0,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 4737 Xref: perfectly-safe.chapmancentral.co.uk uk.rec.cycling:651627

On May 28, 7:45=A0pm, Sir Jeremy  wrote: > On 28 May, 19:20, Colin McKenzie  wrote: > > > > > Nick wrote: > > > spindrift wrote: > > >>http://www.lcc.org.uk/index.asp?PageID=3D1145 > > >> The evidence seems clear to me, motorbikes are faster moving, heavier= , > > >> and pose a greater risk to cyclists. > > > I'd sign one to ban buses from bus lanes but I don't have a problem wi= th > > > motorbikes. > > > The issues are: > > - Do you want to promote motorcycling? > > Allowing them in bus lanes will increase their numbers throughout London= . > > - What are bus lanes for? > > Buses. > > - Why were cycles allowed in them? > > Because of the effect of forcing them into the other lane (petrified > > cyclists and delayed motorists). These effects do not happen with > > motorbikes. > > - How much space do you want when overtaken? > > In a typical 3-metre bus lane, a cyclist riding far enough out to > > prevent a taxi from squeezing past within the lane will leave about > > 1.6m gap on their right. A motorcyclist would aim at the middle of > > this gap, passing within half a metre of the cyclist. At present they > > try to encroach as litle as possible on the bus lane. > > > The recommended width for a bus lane is 4.5m. Allowing motorbikes only > > in bus lanes this wide would have less direct impact on cyclists' > > safety, but would still promote motorcycling. > > > Colin McKenzie > > > -- > > No-one has ever proved that cycle helmets make cycling any safer at > > the population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as > > walking. > > Make an informed choice - visitwww.cyclehelmets.org. > > What's wrong with promoting motor bikes? =A0They certainly reduce > congestion

No-one's allowed powered private transport. Everyone's got to use public transport and then walk/cycle the rest of the way, no matter how inconvenient, expensive, unpleasant and unfeasible it is. And while cycling, everyone's got to be a complete twat towards car drivers, because cycling is morally superior to driving.

We've seen from the trolls' stubborn support of speed cameras that their crusade against powered private transport is more important to them than safety. Therefore, they would rather keep motorcycles out of bus lanes, despite the safety benefits that it brings. More people dying is OK as long as driving and motorcycling are discouraged. And now, instead of just fantasising on forums about killing road users like he usually does, Spindrift is trying to make sure that he and his fellow trolls make a real contribution to the death toll with this petition. Luckily, Boris won't listen, because he's aware of these militant cyclists and their extremist, killer agendas. Being a decent- minded cyclist himself, he must detest the way that cyclists' reputations are tarnished by these idiot trolls and their misanthropic hatred.

If (by any slim chance) anyone here is thinking of signing the petition because they really think it will save lives, please be aware that Spindrift is using you to further his anti-powered private transport agenda, and the statistics show that allowing motorcycles into bus lanes is safer for all road users. In other words, anyone who signs this petition will have BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS.

Thanks

Mike