Nuxx:B3ad35thmqin7u6s5p6n1trej38jko008n@4ax.com

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On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:00:34 -0700 (PDT), Nuxx Bar  wrote:

>5. I don't really care what the safety-related effects are; the most >important thing by far is that lower speed limits make things >unpleasant for motorists, which can only be a good thing. Once >drivers have been bullied out of their cars, the resulting safety >benefit to everyone will be worth any temporary danger caused by >inappropriate speed limits and other dangerous road "safety" >measures. If motorists don't like being delayed by needlessly low >speed limits, tough: they shouldn't be driving in the first place, and >they deserve everything they get.

Yep, that's pretty much what I think. Once the cagers have been forced off the roads, annual road deaths will plummet to not much more than zero, and the few thousand deaths caused in the meantime by inappropriately low speed limits and speed cameras will soon pale into insignificance.

It's like a loss leader, but with lives instead of cash: I'm sure those who are currently being killed unnecessarily by anti-motorist measures would be glad to know that their deaths will help others stay alive. Anti-car measures are a good thing, even if they do cost some lives for the time being. Sometimes you need to be cruel to be kind.

> Guy Chapman: have you ever posted as Lou Knee?

Yes. I made the post calling you a piece of shit. Because you are.

I'm not sorry, and I should have owned up to it straight away: anyone who insults you rightly goes up in the estimation of most here. I'm proud of the Lou Knee post, and I'd make it again.

> WHY WILL YOU NOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION?

Bzzzt! I just have. You fail. Yet again.